2016/2017 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[dino7c]

If the Caps wanted Brouwer that bad they could have had him for free last summer...lets be real here, he came for the $$$$$$$

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Would you trade a second and a third for a legit top-six winger who makes $4.5 million a year? Yes. Trading that allows you to free up that space and get a good guy for free in FA

If you had something lined up...and spent all the other cap money then yes it might not be that bad. Although I hope a 3rd alone would do it lol.

We find out soon if we can give this guy away

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Would you trade a second and a third for a legit top-six winger who makes $4.5 million a year? Yes. Trading that allows you to free up that space and get a good guy for free in FA

We don't need to free up cap space. We are not in cap trouble.

...and you want to trade a 2nd and 3rd round pick to get rid of the last UFA winger we signed (because he had 1 bad season) so that we can free up cap space to *drum roll please* go out and sign the next UFA winger?

What in the actual #### dude?

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

We don't need to free up cap space. We are not in cap trouble.

...and you want to trade a 2nd and 3rd round pick to get rid of the last UFA winger we signed (because he had 1 bad season) so that we can free up space to *drum roll please* go out and sign the next UFA winger?

What in the actual #### dude?

Or acquire someone else, I don't know. But getting rid of Brouwer is addition by subtraction, he's the worst Flame regular I've ever seen

[dino7c]

trade a 2nd and 3rd to get rid of him

pray that Vegas takes him off your hands for free

trade him for one of the greatest goal scorers ever, greatest in this era

decisions, decisions

[MarkGio]

Originally Posted by Corral

Indeed they may - but I said usually not always - so that's fine.

There is a certain hunger and desire needed to play your guts out in a 2 month playoff tourney with lots of physical play - and euro-Russians too often just don't seem to have the desire. Sergie Makarov showed me that more than 25 years ago - it hasn't changed.

2017 Penguins don't have a lot of Canadians. I think you're making generalizations based on one disappointed sample from 25 years ago.

Hasek was one the best playoff performers in history. Tim Thomas was an American

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Or acquire someone else, I don't know. But getting rid of Brouwer is addition by subtraction, he's the worst Flame regular I've ever seen

You haven't been watching closely then?

You exaggerate Brouwer's uselessness quite a bit.

[MarkGio]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Would you trade a second and a third for a legit top-six winger who makes $4.5 million a year? Yes. Trading that allows you to free up that space and get a good guy for free in FA

Who's this legit top 6 winger tho? Otherwise you're just trading a 2nd and 3rd?

[Mister Yamoto]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

We don't need to free up cap space. We are not in cap trouble.

...and you want to trade a 2nd and 3rd round pick to get rid of the last UFA winger we signed (because he had 1 bad season) so that we can free up cap space to *drum roll please* go out and sign the next UFA winger?

What in the actual #### dude?

If you really needed to get rid of him it's a way better route than buyout. How many 2nd or 3rd round picks have the Flames cashed in on in the last 20 years? Would you trade Mitch Wahl and Dustin Boyd to get rid of Brouwer? Cap space is an asset.

Troy Brouwer is gonna be like Wideman in the way that for the next three years there is gonna be daily pie in the sky plans to get rid of him. Today is a good example......... Brouwer for Ovechkin. Ya right. All TheScorpion did was throw out a somewhat realistic way to do it.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

You haven't been watching closely then?

You exaggerate Brouwer's uselessness quite a bit.

I watched every game. He was a sinkhole. He combined all of the offensive prowess of Ales Kotalik with the physical play of Nigel Dawes, the defensive capability of Shane O'Brien, the inconsistency of Rene Bourque, and the puck possession skills of Kris Russell. He pulled down his linemates like a spoiler on a Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution pulls down the car at 200 mph, except the Evo's drag is useful.

[Mister Yamoto]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I watched every game. He was a sinkhole. He combined all of the offensive prowess of Ales Kotalik with the physical play of Nigel Dawes, the defensive capability of Shane O'Brien, the inconsistency of Rene Bourque, and the puck possession skills of Kris Russell. He pulled down his linemates like a spoiler on a Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution pulls down the car at 200 mph, except the Evo's drag is useful.

He did have a solid preseason though. And he was pretty consistant during the regular season and playoffs. Just sayin.

[TheScorpion]

I will give you both of those points. He was good in the preseason, and was consistently awful once it ended

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I watched every game. He was a sinkhole. He combined all of the offensive prowess of Ales Kotalik with the physical play of Nigel Dawes, the defensive capability of Shane O'Brien, the inconsistency of Rene Bourque, and the puck possession skills of Kris Russell. He pulled down his linemates like a spoiler on a Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution pulls down the car at 200 mph, except the Evo's drag is useful.

Hyperbole par excellence

[erikk3]

Well as long as we don't trade our 4th rounder we're fine right?

[Corral]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

2017 Penguins don't have a lot of Canadians. I think you're making generalizations based on one disappointed sample from 25 years ago.

Hasek was one the best playoff performers in history. Tim Thomas was an American

There is a whole lot of Can-US players on that Penguins roster. If I was a GM - there is no way I would build my roster around a euro-Russian core - not a chance.

Its interesting you raised the 2008 Red Wings - once those gritty Canadian and US players retired - notice Zetterberg and Datysuk didn't lead the Wings to any more championships.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Hyperbole par excellence

Is it?

Last year, Brouwer recorded a -7.6% relative Corsi, the second-worst of any Flame regular (30+ games).

Since Corsi started being recorded in 2007, here's a list of Flames regulars (30+ GP) with a worse single-season Corsi mark:

Jyrki Jokipakka (2016-17: -8.1%)
Brian McGrattan (2013-14: -9.8%)
Rene Bourque (2011-12: -7.8%)
Eric Godard (2007-08: -13.2%)
Wayne Primeau (2007-08: -10.7%)
Mark Smith (2007-08: -8.0%)

Fun fact: Brouwer will make just $59,000 less money in his contract ($18 million) than all of these guys made combined in their time with the Flames ($18.059 million).

So, that's an inexperienced Finnish defenceman, a typical goon, a formerly-good winger having a terrible season en route to being traded to Montreal, another typical goon, discount Keith, and Mr. Generic name.

Some notable "bad" Flames who never had worse seasons than Brouwer last year:

Kevin Westgarth
Chris Butler
Shane O'Brien
Ales Kotalik
Dennis Wideman
Kris Russell
Blake Comeau

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Hyperbole par excellence

Of course he's exaggerating. But if Hathaway or Hamilton played like Brouwer they would have finished the year in Stockton.

He was bad.

[albertGQ]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I watched every game. He was a sinkhole. He combined all of the offensive prowess of Ales Kotalik with the physical play of Nigel Dawes, the defensive capability of Shane O'Brien, the inconsistency of Rene Bourque, and the puck possession skills of Kris Russell. He pulled down his linemates like a spoiler on a Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution pulls down the car at 200 mph, except the Evo's drag is useful.

So after trading a 2nd and a 3rd to get rid of Brouwer, who would you sign as a UFA? What kind of contract would you give him and what term?

I want to know who you are targeting for that spot.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by albertGQ

So after trading a 2nd and a 3rd to get rid of Brouwer, who would you sign as a UFA? What kind of contract would you give him and what term?

I want to know who you are targeting for that spot.

Wouldn't necessarily need to be a UFA, just would open up that space to be able to maybe acquire someone in a trade, too.

[albertGQ]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Wouldn't necessarily need to be a UFA, just would open up that space to be able to maybe acquire someone in a trade, too.

So trade a 2nd and a 3rd to get rid of Brouwer. Then trade more assets to replace him? Who are thinking of???