2016/2017 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[MarkGio]

Yeah I say no to Hudler and Hemsky. No more guys who are midrange free agents. Either a top tier guy like Kovalchuk or Radulov, or look for internal help.

Those mid tier guys like Brouwer hurts. They never pan out

[codynw]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

Yeah I say no to Hudler and Hemsky. No more guys who are midrange free agents. Either a top tier guy like Kovalchuk or Radulov, or look for internal help.

Those mid tier guys like Brouwer hurts. They never pan out

Frolik is pretty good

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

Yeah I say no to Hudler and Hemsky. No more guys who are midrange free agents. Either a top tier guy like Kovalchuk or Radulov, or look for internal help.

Those mid tier guys like Brouwer hurts. They never pan out

Wouldn't Frolik be considered Brouwer's tier? So far 2 years into that 5 year deal it looks good.

A lot of the top end guys also fail to work out. Lucic, Eriksson both look really bad year 1 into their deals

[kukkudo]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Wouldn't Frolik be considered Brouwer's tier? So far 2 years into that 5 year deal it looks good.

A lot of the top end guys also fail to work out. Lucic, Eriksson both look really bad year 1 into their deals

Thought he was decent 23 goals ended up with 50 points. Lucic brought the Oilers some energy/swag this year.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by kukkudo

Thought he was decent 23 goals ended up with 50 points. Lucic brought the Oilers some energy/swag this year.

Even when he doesn't score, at least he provides a presence every night and makes the high end guys feel a few inches taller. Problem is, he's got that contract for the next 5 years and he's declining....

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by kukkudo

Thought he was decent 23 goals ended up with 50 points. Lucic brought the Oilers some energy/swag this year.

Is that all we can expect for $6M? Being a good second liner?

The contract didn't hurt this year and probably won't next year but the 3rd year it starts to hurt. Remember he signed a 7 year contract. It was an albatross before the ink dried.

[dying4acup]

Originally Posted by bigrangy

I'd love to see the Flames pick up a Hemsky/Hudler type for the 3rd line. This team needs scoring depth way more than anything else imo.

After the goalies of course but I have 100% confidence that the Flames will get decent tending next year.

More than goalies and a top-4 D?

[Geeoff]

Anthony Duclair is a guy that will probably be traded in the off-season on the cheap. I'd like to see the Flames target him as I think he has top 6 talent.

[dino7c]

Yeah Lucic was fine this year but SIX MORE SEASONS

its going to be a disaster

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Is that all we can expect for $6M? Being a good second liner?

The contract didn't hurt this year and probably won't next year but the 3rd year it starts to hurt. Remember he signed a 7 year contract. It was an albatross before the ink dried.

Yes basically that is what 6 million gets you on the open market.

[kukkudo]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Is that all we can expect for $6M? Being a good second liner?

The contract didn't hurt this year and probably won't next year but the 3rd year it starts to hurt. Remember he signed a 7 year contract. It was an albatross before the ink dried.

Well as a FA 6M is a second liner these days. Compared to Brouwer 4.5M as a third liner haha. But was just talking about this year his contract is horrible.

[bigrangy]

Originally Posted by dying4acup

More than goalies and a top-4 D?

The goalies will sort themselves out, I'm not worried. The Flames got average goaltending this year and they will get average goaltending next year.

A top 4 D-man is completely un-necessary (unless Kulak is expansion'd). A Stone/Franson/Del Zotto type low end free agent is all the Flames need. Kulak is an NHL caliber #5 and I believe Andersson can be a functional #6 next season. If the Flames can't manage to produce decent defensive results with Gio/Dougie/Brodie/Kulak/FA/Rookie then the problem is more with the team than with the players.

I'm most worried about scoring depth. There is absolutely none on this team. The Gaudreau line and the Backlund line are the only two that provide anything at 5v5. Bennett isn't where he needs to be yet and Stajan isn't very good. Brouwer sinks any line he's on and Bouma does as well. On top of this, Bennett's offensive development is suffering since he has nobody to help him along. Ideally I'd like to see two middle six wingers brought in next season and Bouma and Brouwer as the 13th forwards, though I know it will never happen.

Gaudreau-Monahan-Ferland/New Guy 1
Ferland/New Guy 1-Backlund-Frolik
Tkachuk-Bennett-New Guy 2
Stajan-Jankowski-Chiasson/Hathaway

Maybe Brouwer focuses really hard in the off season and re-invents himself such that he could fill one of those new guy spots, because he has the talent and has done it before, which would only require 1 new acquisition (Justin Williams pls) or maybe Lazar actually is decent which could fill a new guy spot, or maybe Jankowski switches to wing which could fill a spot.

I want the Flames to have three lines that can contribute in any situation like every good team does. The window (in hindsight) was open this year and this team should be prime to go deep next season, if all the question marks get answered properly.

[northcrunk]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Yeah Lucic was fine this year but SIX MORE SEASONS

its going to be a disaster

It only cost $120,000 per point though! Will probably be $200,000 per point next season! Can't wait until the day it costs $6,000,000 per point!

[Weitz]

Lucic was 98th in scoring this year. The 98th highest contract in the NHL was 5.6 million. 6 million is about 73rd highest I do believe. He brought good value for this year. The rest are to be seen.

I feel the next 2-3 years of that contract will be fine. The last 3 probably will suck. I am curious if he will have to retire early due to his Scheuermann's disease. Someone was telling me about that but I am not a doctor.

[Toonage]

He fit into their budget and they made 2 rounds of playoff revenue. For now that signing has been justified. But sure, in a few years, probably not great. Unless McDavid, Talbot & Draisaitl can carry the team on their back year in and year out.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Weitz

Lucic was 98th in scoring this year. The 98th highest contract in the NHL was 5.6 million. 6 million is about 73rd highest I do believe. He brought good value for this year. The rest are to be seen.

I feel the next 2-3 years of that contract will be fine. The last 3 probably will suck. I am curious if he will have to retire early due to his Scheuermann's disease. Someone was telling me about that but I am not a doctor.

Come on man. I am guessing in the 73 contracts higher that several are goalies and Dmen. If you want to make this arguement use forwards only.

I think Lucic is overpaid for the physical element he brings. He was a non factor for most of the playoffs and lost his spot to a guy making less than a 3rd of what Milan is making because he can skate in Maroon. Lucic can't skate and it is obvious.

[AC]

Lucic had the 22nd highest salary amongst forwards last season at $8M, and the 47th highest cap hit at $6M.

Lucic was 90th in points amongst forwards.

[Weitz]

Its tough to gauge though because the NHL is set up to cap your ability to make money till you are a UFA or are a superstar.

If the guys who had more points but are on ELC's or RFA contracts were UFA's this past summer what do they get?

What I am trying to say is that $6 million isn't as ludicrous for a UFA salary as it once was. The term was bad and I have said that from the start.

[TheFlamesVan]

Originally Posted by AC

Lucic had the 22nd highest salary amongst forwards last season at $8M, and the 47th highest cap hit at $6M.

Lucic was 90th in points amongst forwards.

Thanks for clearing this up. I still don't count forwards as only being paid for points so I don't get the original comparison anyways. He's at good value now, he's a great hockey player and a force.

But that contract is looooonnnggg.

[MarkGio]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Wouldn't Frolik be considered Brouwer's tier? So far 2 years into that 5 year deal it looks good.

A lot of the top end guys also fail to work out. Lucic, Eriksson both look really bad year 1 into their deals

Yeah Frolik has panned out. But that was pretty lucky. If Folik wasn't playing with Backlund I wonder how that one looks too. These Wideman and Raymond-like band-aids always backfire. Usually the ones that pan out are the low-tier guys like Tanguay (post TB), Bertuzzi, Morrison, Colbourne, Stempniak, and Chad Johnson. Even when the low-tier guys fail (ie, Setoguchi, Galiardi), it's never a burden on the organization. The org doesn't try to repair it by keeping them in the line-up when there's clearly better guys out there, such as the Bollig-Byron situation.