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ComixZone · 05-12-2017, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

You convieninently omitted Saros NHL stats which are stellar and evidence he's likely an upgrade on all those goaltenders you listed. Small sample size yes but so was Talbot and Saros is younger than Gillies.

Gillies has pretty damn impressive NHL stats:

Undefeated.
1.00 GAA
.964 S%

Lanny'sDaMan · 05-12-2017, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by bigrangy

I don't think you'd ever have to watch again, that team would go 82-0. It'd be so boring.

You say boring, I say entertainingly hilarious.

and to correct your math they would go 98-0

getbak · 05-12-2017, 09:12 AM

Rinne will turn 35 early next season. Saros just turned 22 and still has a year left on his ELC.

The Predators seem perfectly positioned to transition from Rinne to Saros over the next few seasons. I'm not sure why anyone would think they'd even consider moving Saros.

Roof-Daddy · 05-12-2017, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by getbak

Rinne will turn 35 early next season. Saros just turned 22 and still has a year left on his ELC.

The Predators seem perfectly positioned to transition from Rinne to Saros over the next few seasons. I'm not sure why anyone would think they'd even consider moving Saros.

Yeah, that seems like a baffling notion to me as well. Only 2 more seasons left on Rinne's contract as well.

GioforPM · 05-12-2017, 09:19 AM

Saros has decent stats, and has played well when I've seen him. I (probably unfairly) just don't like little goalies. He's listed at 5'11 which probably means 5'9.

Lord Carnage · 05-12-2017, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Vinny01

There seems to be a fair bit of smoke around Fleury and Vegas. Friedman brought that up stating "it makes a ton of sense"

I just don't get that...

Vegas can apparently trade for MAF, but if Pittsburgh isn't able to execute a trade for MAF, then Vegas would get Murray in expansion (a better proposal). Of course that assumes that no other team trades for MAF - but that is a small list of available teams (Calgary).

And as I mentioned earlier, doesn't MAF have to update his no-trade list of teams to even see if Vegas is an available option?

Erick Estrada · 05-12-2017, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by getbak

Rinne will turn 35 early next season. Saros just turned 22 and still has a year left on his ELC.

The Predators seem perfectly positioned to transition from Rinne to Saros over the next few seasons. I'm not sure why anyone would think they'd even consider moving Saros.

Yeah. Friedman even noted he's not sure if the Predators would even want to move him. I would imagine if Treliving calls they would be asking for Parsons+ and I don't know if the Flames would want to go there.

SofaProfessor · 05-12-2017, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Toonage

1 win, 1 OTL against the Flames.

Yeah and in that 1 win he absolutely stood on his head in a game the Flames completely outplayed the Preds. In the OTL he stepped in after Rinne got chased and stood on his head again while they battled back to take the lead. Flames got it to OT and won it then so he gets the OTL on his record but him and Forsberg were basically the only reason the Preds scraped a point out of that game.

Vinny01 · 05-12-2017, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Lord Carnage

I maybe just don't get that...

Vegas can trade for MAF, or if Pittsburgh doesn't trade MAF, then they get Murray in expansion (assuming no other team trades for MAF - but that is a small list of available teams).

And as I mentioned, MAF would have to update his no-trade list of teams to even see if Vegas is an available option, no?

What I think is most likely is Fleury agrees to waive for Vegas and is left unprotected and is picked. Pens expose Fleury protect Murray and Vegas is happy to get their number 1. Fleury plays the next 2 years in a pressure free, warm climate environment. He may have 3 rings by then so winning might not be at the forefront?

Vegas could also be selling the quick build approach to him. Try and get a playoff team in the first 2 years?

GioforPM · 05-12-2017, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by SofaProfessor

Yeah and in that 1 win he absolutely stood on his head in a game the Flames completely outplayed the Preds. In the OTL he stepped in after Rinne got chased and stood on his head again while they battled back to take the lead. Flames got it to OT and won it then so he gets the OTL on his record but him and Forsberg were basically the only reason the Preds scraped a point out of that game.

I'm always a bit leery of acquiring players because they played well against the Flames. That was Brouwer to a degree, Raymond to a degree. It worked with Glencross though.

Toonage · 05-12-2017, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by SofaProfessor

Yeah and in that 1 win he absolutely stood on his head in a game the Flames completely outplayed the Preds. In the OTL he stepped in after Rinne got chased and stood on his head again while they battled back to take the lead. Flames got it to OT and won it then so he gets the OTL on his record but him and Forsberg were basically the only reason the Preds scraped a point out of that game.

Sure, but one good game does not equal a player having the Flames number. Just means one good game.

SofaProfessor · 05-12-2017, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Toonage

Sure, but one good game does not equal a player having the Flames number. Just means one good game.

To be fair, it was 2 games if you count when he had to come in for Rinne in the second game and took it to OT for the loser point which they had no business getting. I was being a little lighthearted when I said it would be worth trading for him just to never play him again. I don't actually believe Treliving should move mountains to get a guy who played well against the Flames but, if the price is right, I wouldn't mind having Saros on the roster.

Lord Carnage · 05-12-2017, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by SofaProfessor

To be fair, it was 2 games if you count when he had to come in for Rinne in the second game and took it to OT for the loser point which they had no business getting. I was being a little lighthearted when I said it would be worth trading for him just to never play him again. I don't actually believe Treliving should move mountains to get a guy who played well against the Flames but, if the price is right, I wouldn't mind having Saros on the roster.

For the right price, he would probably be a really good option... but it just makes zero sense for Nashville to move him. He is the heir to Rinne, who has two years left on his contract - perfect succession plan.

SofaProfessor · 05-12-2017, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Lord Carnage

For the right price, he would probably be a really good option... but it just makes zero sense for Nashville to move him. He is the heir to Rinne, who has two years left on his contract - perfect succession plan.

It's going to be a similar situation to MAF. Say they make it to the finals or even go all the way to winning a cup... How easy is it to move a guy that carried you there? With the Pens it would be easier because you watched Murray win a cup last year so you're confident that either guy can get the job done so you pick the younger guy with a longer future ahead of him. With the Preds the choice isn't as easy. Saros doesn't have that proven NHL playoff experience like Murray does.

Lord Carnage · 05-12-2017, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by SofaProfessor

It's going to be a similar situation to MAF. Say they make it to the finals or even go all the way to winning a cup... How easy is it to move a guy that carried you there? With the Pens it would be easier because you watched Murray win a cup last year so you're confident that either guy can get the job done so you pick the younger guy with a longer future ahead of him. With the Preds the choice isn't as easy. Saros doesn't have that proven NHL playoff experience like Murray does.

True, but the difference is for this year and the expansion draft.

Saros is exempt, so there is zero reason to move him now, and they have the next couple of years to transition between him and Rinne.

in Pittsburgh, they are FORCED to protect MAF and expose Murray (unless MAF waives his no-move clause).

Pitts has some hoops to deal with, Nashville is sitting pretty with no pressure whatsoever - so why do another team a favor?

SofaProfessor · 05-12-2017, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Lord Carnage

True, but the difference is for this year and the expansion draft.

Saros is exempt, so there is zero reason to move him now, and they have the next couple of years to transition between him and Rinne.

in Pittsburgh, they are FORCED to protect MAF and expose Murray (unless MAF waives his no-move clause).

Pitts has some hoops to deal with, Nashville is sitting pretty with no pressure whatsoever - so why do another team a favor?

I'm an idiot. I forgot Saros was exempt. Yeah, there's no way they're moving Saros if they don't have to for the expansion draft. Move along, folks.

Lord Carnage · 05-12-2017, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by SofaProfessor

I'm an idiot. I forgot Saros was exempt. Yeah, there's no way they're moving Saros if they don't have to for the expansion draft. Move along, folks.

It really is too bad - he's looked quite good and would be an interesting option.

Might be tough to fully judge though, as he is playing behind that Nashville defense core.

Roof-Daddy · 05-12-2017, 10:14 AM

So if Tre does indeed go after MAF, I wonder if they also try to get Hornqvist along with him to further alleviate the Pens cap woes? Sprong seems ready to roll, plus Guentzel, Sheary and Rust all look solid to go along with Kessel as a still solid group of wingers.

Take care of the starting goalie and top line RW holes in one trade.

Vinny01 · 05-12-2017, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

So if Tre does indeed go after MAF, I wonder if they also try to get Hornqvist along with him to further alleviate the Pens cap woes? Sprong seems ready to roll, plus Guentzel, Sheary and Rust all look solid to go along with Kessel as a still solid group of wingers.

Take care of the starting goalie and top line RW holes in one trade.

Interested in that package but the cost to acquire would be fairly substantial I would think for 2 30+ players

ComixZone · 05-12-2017, 10:21 AM

With Anaheim's 1st round pick now belonging to Dallas...does that not seem like the perfect asset to send to New Jersey for Kovalchuk's rights?

I'm not going to be surprised if Dallas ends up winning the West next year. They've got a lot of fire power, solid goaltending, and assets to spend to this summer to address their defense and some depth upfront.