2016/2017 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Toonage]

The way the dominos seem to be falling, I'm not sure Treliving doesn't roll the dice on this. I don't love it either but I'm starting to think (worry) that this is what ends up happening.

Or, Treliving tops whatever offer is being made on a guy like Fleury. In other words, the Flames 1st round pick has to be in play rather than a later one.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Andy Strickland @andystrickland
Nail Yakupov says he has zero plans of returning to Russia, says he fully expects to play in #NHL next season #stlblues

Vegas bound?

Potentially, but I think the Blues will have Gunnarsson exposed and he should have some decent trade value. They could probably pluck Yak up as a UFA on July 1st, since I doubt he gets a $2.5 million QO

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Toonage

The way the dominos seem to be falling, I'm not sure Treliving doesn't roll the dice on this. I don't love it either but I'm starting to think (worry) that this is what ends up happening.

Or, Treliving tops whatever offer is being made on a guy like Fleury. In other words, the Flames 1st round pick has to be in play rather than a later one.

Fleury for a 1st would be a travesty. No one the Flames should even consider a 1st for him, the only goalie available worth a 1st IMO is maybe Grubauer, add Schneider if he could be had.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

Fleury for a 1st would be a travesty. No one the Flames should even consider a 1st for him, the only goalie available worth a 1st IMO is maybe Grubauer, add Schneider if he could be had.

So, Brian Elliott huh...

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Toonage

So, Brian Elliott huh...

Better than giving up a 1st for Fleury

[Flash Walken]

Let's talk about: The Value of Nugent Hopkins and Eberle.

Hopkins: 4 years left at 6 million per, 24 years old
Eberle: 2 years left at 6 million per, 27 years old

Eberle finished the season 94th overall in points, but 55th overall in caphit in the league.
Nugent Hopkins finished 144th in the league in points, but 56th overall in cap hit, with the worst +/- on his team (-10)

Does Nugent Hopkins have any value left? I know he is still young and it wouldn't surprise me if he found more success on another team as many oilers have found once leaving the organization, but with 24 million dollars left on his deal, is he simply too expensive to take a chance on?

Are the oilers going to have to package a different asset with him in order to move him out of the organization, similar to what the Hawks had to do with Bickell? Obviously Nugent Hopkins is a better player at this point than Bickell was when he was traded, but Bickell was only owed about 9 million bucks total for the remainder of that deal. Any team taking on Hopkins is looking at a significantly larger salary liability.

Not many teams can go and add a 6 million dollar player in the hopes that the player turns it around.

What happens with Hopkins in Edmonton?

[Dan403]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

What happens with Hopkins in Edmonton?

Nothing happens. He stays.

Win for Flames Fans.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Another goalie possibly spoken for.

I have a bit on inside knowledge on Vegas that has been pretty hit and miss. One of the things that was told to me is Vegas really wants MAF

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

Fleury for a 1st would be a travesty. No one the Flames should even consider a 1st for him, the only goalie available worth a 1st IMO is maybe Grubauer, add Schneider if he could be had.

I agree no way the Flames should pay a 1st for Fleury that would be ugly considering the team has traded away their 2nd and 3rd. How do you justify Grubauer possibly being worth a 1st?

[Icon]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Let's talk about: The Value of Nugent Hopkins and Eberle.

Hopkins: 4 years left at 6 million per, 24 years old
Eberle: 2 years left at 6 million per, 27 years old

Eberle finished the season 94th overall in points, but 55th overall in caphit in the league.
Nugent Hopkins finished 144th in the league in points, but 56th overall in cap hit, with the worst +/- on his team (-10)

Does Nugent Hopkins have any value left? I know he is still young and it wouldn't surprise me if he found more success on another team as many oilers have found once leaving the organization, but with 24 million dollars left on his deal, is he simply too expensive to take a chance on?

Are the oilers going to have to package a different asset with him in order to move him out of the organization, similar to what the Hawks had to do with Bickell? Obviously Nugent Hopkins is a better player at this point than Bickell was when he was traded, but Bickell was only owed about 9 million bucks total for the remainder of that deal. Any team taking on Hopkins is looking at a significantly larger salary liability.

Not many teams can go and add a 6 million dollar player in the hopes that the player turns it around.

What happens with Hopkins in Edmonton?

I could see Eberle ending up in Vegas to help them reach the cap floor. Worth giving a chance on for a couple years on a team that will be juggling lines all year most likely.

Nugent Hopkins is negative trade value at this point. Oilers probably still hope for a bounce-back year next year, but barring that I think he's in buyout / trade at 50% retained status.

[Erick Estrada]

RNH absolutely has positive trade value. There will be more than a few teams interested in a 24 year old center that can center a second line. He's always performed well in competition outside the Oilers and IMO simply needs a change of scenery. He's way ahead of where Backlund was at 24 years old. The Oilers may have to take some salary back however but moving him won't be an issue at all.

[MarkGio]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Andy Strickland @andystrickland
Nail Yakupov says he has zero plans of returning to Russia, says he fully expects to play in #NHL next season #stlblues

Vegas bound?

The Blues have to give him at least a few million for one season if Yakupov elects for arbitration? Or can the Blues release Yakupov and allow him to be an Unrestricted free agent

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Backlunds_socks

I'd love to see Yak as a flame.

I can't believe I am agreeing with this guy but I was also thinking this. The right price and availability of a big time skilled RW is just not available for us. I have no doubt that the biggest problem with Yak is between his ears, he has a lack of confidence at this point for sure. I watched this guy in his OHL days and he has the skill to be a top line RW, you don't forget how to play. I think he and the Oilers set the bar too high for an instant impact player and it killed his progression. He needs a reboot with a team that will give him the opportunity to shine and can install confidence into his game. He will come on the cheap for sure so what is the worst that happens? He ends up in Stockton. On the other hand if you put him on the RW across from Gaudreau, he plays to his actual level of skill, and he wants to shove it down our rivals throat that they gave up on him he might just be a hell of a steal. I don't see the downside to giving it a shot given how cheap he will come.

[Backlunds_socks]

The goalie situation is making me nevrous.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

The Blues have to give him at least a few million for one season if Yakupov elects for arbitration? Or can the Blues release Yakupov and allow him to be an Unrestricted free agent

If they don't give him a qualifying offer, he'll become a UFA on July 1. This is what the Flames did with Colborne last year (and many other teams have done with many other players over the years).

The Blues could also file for arbitration without giving him a QO. In that situation, they could ask the arbitrator to reduce his salary to 85% of his salary from this season. That would still be over $2million, so I don't see that happening.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

The Blues have to give him at least a few million for one season if Yakupov elects for arbitration? Or can the Blues release Yakupov and allow him to be an Unrestricted free agent

edit: Getback'd.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I agree no way the Flames should pay a 1st for Fleury that would be ugly considering the team has traded away their 2nd and 3rd. How do you justify Grubauer possibly being worth a 1st?

Potential and the past market that saw Jones land a 1st, Talbot landed a 2nd and 3rd (of which we have neither), Varlamov was acquired for a 1st in the somewhat recent past.

[Karl]

Originally Posted by Icon

Nugent Hopkins: I think he's in buyout status.

Wow...

I don't like Nugent-Hopkins but this part of your opinion here is patently absurd, and I mean 100% dead wrong.

[Toonage]

Back to goaltending.

Maybe the Flames do kick the tires on Jimmy Howard. Looking up his career stats vs. Pacific Division teams and its not bad. Then the Flames can re-sign Johnson.

The tandem would be Howard- Johnson.

[Johnny Rotten]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

Potential and the past market that saw Jones land a 1st, Talbot landed a 2nd and 3rd (of which we have neither), Varlamov was acquired for a 1st in the somewhat recent past.

I agree with both you and Vinnie, but I'm wondering if the market value of goaltenders will be the same this off-season as two years ago because of expansion.

I could be misreading the situation, but if I have two solid goalies from which to choose to protect, and since I can only protect one of them, shouldn't the value of the goalies not be as high as it is in other years?