[News] Flames sign Treliving to multi year contract extension

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Truly the biggest re-signing for the Flames this offseason.

That being said. All the hubbub surrounding this was due to Freidman and his surprisingly sensationalist reporting of this.

It was a no brained from any angle even if the Kk meddling was true. He's earned his new deal through a solid first tenure.

Originally Posted by Flamescuprun2018

I agree. Friedman dropped a notch in my books with the repeated smoke screen. He had been one of the better sources of to that point. Won't trust his reporting as much from now on.

Ok, first off this isn't to single you two out on this as the topic has been bandied about for a bit. I'm just giving some context to what I'm about to say.

Is it just me, or does this attitude not speak to EXACTLY what Friedman referred to during his self-imposed sabbatical from Calgary radio? I listened to pretty well everything Friedman had to say about the Flames-Treliving situation (including the morning he first brought this up), and read any pieces he published on the topic.

All he ever said was:
1. The Flames and Treliving do not have an agreement in place.
2. This isn't a typical way of doing business in the league regarding management and staff.
3. He thinks there is a continual fit for Treliving and the Flames.
4. Unsure why it isn't done at this point: could be the Flames holding it up, could be Treliving.
5. However, given the circumstances there is reason to believe he may not be back next season.

Where in any of that is sensationalism or mis-reporting? How is anything said or written so outlandish that you now distrust Friedman because he applied his expert, analytical opinion on the situation? Suddenly these comments have been transformed into him outright saying Treliving isn't coming back and there's trouble in the hen house. He never said that.

I'm not understanding the outrage here. Although I would be understanding if Friedman goes back to denying interviews on the Fan and sticking to comments on his 30 Thoughts pieces.

His opinion on this situation was totally reasonable given the unusual circumstances, and I still value and respect him as the upper echelon of NHL and hockey knowledge.

[united]

https://www.fanragsports.com/nhl/dre...ame-treliving/

Darren Dreger (grain of salt required):
NHL Insider Darren Dreger was making the radio rounds on Tuesday morning, and on Edmonton’s TSN 1260 he was asked what Treliving will need to prove to get another contract extension eventually.

“Probably not much to the rest of the NHL – maybe a lot to Ken King and Murray Edwards,” began Dreger. “It’s a multi-year deal, so that tells us it’s three or four years. The sense that I got was that he was likely pushing for four years. So in that comes some job security.

...

Dreger was asked if there was any fire to the smoke about the relationship – or lack thereof – between Treliving and Burke.

“For me it’s less about the relationship between Brian Burke and Brad Treliving and more about how involved Ken King remains in hockey operations,” said Dreger. “My sense is that the negotiation wasn’t with Brian Burke, it was with Ken King.

“And even though there’s an established market value of what Canadian general managers are earning, for Treliving I’m going to guess it’s somewhere around that $1.75-$2 million mark. I don’t think Ken King and the Flames wanted to pay that, and I think that that was part of the pushback.

“But what was also curious about all of this was how long it took to table the offer. I don’t believe that Treliving actually got an offer – a legitimate offer – until late last week or even as late as the weekend; which is curious again when you’ve got teams like Buffalo sitting there waiting for their general manager to be hired, which will likely be as early as tomorrow, and likely to be Botterill from what we’re told.

“But that’s a dangerous game with somebody like Brad Treliving, who’s highly respected.

[Erick Estrada]

I really, really wish Ken King was no longer involved in any of the hockey operations. I realize he's an extension of ownership but he clearly had some hockey managing aspirations and I feel this can get in the way of things as he's a businessman that fancies himself as a hockey man and that's never a good thing.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I really, really wish Ken King was no longer involved in any of the hockey operations. I realize he's an extension of ownership but he clearly had some hockey managing aspirations and I feel this can get in the way of things as he's a businessman that fancies himself as a hockey man and that's never a good thing.

I get the concern, and I, like you, don't want K. King anywhere near the work of hockey ops. But I have to think that despite his aspirations his presence has not hurt the Flames in this regard during Treliving's tenure. I can't imagine that he and B. Burke would ever cowtow to King's wishes on a hockey decision.

[TheIronMaiden]

Treliving had mentioned in his interview with FlamesTV that the next step was to evaluate their management and coaching team. I am really hoping that they shift things around with their development team, focusing on their goal tending development. The Flames have not been excellent at developing home grown talent.

The Flames haven't developed a goal tending prospect even to be a backup in some time.
Moreover next season, their roster wont be likely to have more than 2 defence men who were drafted by the Flames: Kulak and Brodie.
Sure they've got several players they drafted playing forward but the majority of those players never spend time in the AHL. That leaves Bouma, Backlund, and Ferland.

That record of prospect development is not horrible. Obviously the drafting is decent, but if the Flames want to be a perennial playoff contender they need to develop prospects in key positions.

[Ozy_Flame]

I am most concerned about about the Goaltending coach position. I am not confident in the current coach.

[Hockeyguy15]

I think Treliving signing a multiyear deal signals that ownership isn't a meddling as people make them out to be.

Treliving clearly could get a GM job elsewhere, so if he doesn't feel like he can freely do his job without ownership handcuffing him why would he both signing?

[868904]

The Flames will come off looking cheap there based on Dreger's comments but if you look at it from the owners perspective, they are paying quite a bit for management right now.

Brian Burke probably isn't coming cheap and Don Maloney is also on the payroll (though I doubt his salary is extravagant). Treliving also has two other AGMs as well.

I would imagine Brian Burke is paid as one of the more expensive POHO guys in the league. The owners were probably wondering if they need to pay top dollar for a GM when they are paying top dollar for a POHO.

If you compare to other teams, I doubt the Canucks are paying top dollar for Linden and Benning. Oilers are probably paying a lot for Chiarelli, maybe not so much for Nicholson (can't see him getting more than Burke), Shanahan and Lamariello are probably paid top dollar but this is the Leafs and they have cash to burn. Do the Jets even have a POHO? Same with the Habs and Sens? Don't know if the American teams are paying for the two levels, but nothing comes to mind specifically.

[868904]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

Treliving had mentioned in his interview with FlamesTV that the next step was to evaluate their management and coaching team. I am really hoping that they shift things around with their development team, focusing on their goal tending development. The Flames have not been excellent at developing home grown talent.

The Flames haven't developed a goal tending prospect even to be a backup in some time.
Moreover next season, their roster wont be likely to have more than 2 defence men who were drafted by the Flames: Kulak and Brodie.
Sure they've got several players they drafted playing forward but the majority of those players never spend time in the AHL. That leaves Bouma, Backlund, and Ferland.

That record of prospect development is not horrible. Obviously the drafting is decent, but if the Flames want to be a perennial playoff contender they need to develop prospects in key positions.

The goaltending coaching probably needs some shoring up. The Canucks have like 3 or 4 goaltending coaches: Cloutier, Melanson, and a couple of other guys I don't remember their names. More is not necessarily better, but when the results aren't there......

[TheFlamesVan]

Originally Posted by bax

So? That's part of Friedman's job. He's one of the best in the business and he isn't wrong that the way the Flames handled this is strange compared to the rest of the league.

Don't get why people are mad at him?

I don't care that he reported it, I just thought it was a nothing story and he has more to offer than stories that have no real backbone. The Flames tend to leave contract negotiations until after the season, they handled it the way they wanted to and he was extended with 2 months left on his contract.... why is this an issue? Glad he's back, I don't think there was anything to be seen behind the scenes.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by Yamer

Ok, first off this isn't to single you two out on this as the topic has been bandied about for a bit. I'm just giving some context to what I'm about to say.

Is it just me, or does this attitude not speak to EXACTLY what Friedman referred to during his self-imposed sabbatical from Calgary radio? I listened to pretty well everything Friedman had to say about the Flames-Treliving situation (including the morning he first brought this up), and read any pieces he published on the topic.

All he ever said was:
1. The Flames and Treliving do not have an agreement in place.
2. This isn't a typical way of doing business in the league regarding management and staff.
3. He thinks there is a continual fit for Treliving and the Flames.
4. Unsure why it isn't done at this point: could be the Flames holding it up, could be Treliving.
5. However, given the circumstances there is reason to believe he may not be back next season.

Where in any of that is sensationalism or mis-reporting? How is anything said or written so outlandish that you now distrust Friedman because he applied his expert, analytical opinion on the situation? Suddenly these comments have been transformed into him outright saying Treliving isn't coming back and there's trouble in the hen house. He never said that.

I'm not understanding the outrage here. Although I would be understanding if Friedman goes back to denying interviews on the Fan and sticking to comments on his 30 Thoughts pieces.

His opinion on this situation was totally reasonable given the unusual circumstances, and I still value and respect him as the upper echelon of NHL and hockey knowledge.

While I think what you have listed is true, the issue for resides with #5. Following up, neither the Flames nor Treliving indicated there was a problem. There really wasb't a reason to believe he wouldn't be back. If there was an indication that they weren't talking, or that they were going to wait until July 1, then I think the conclusion is warranted.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by 868904

The goaltending coaching probably needs some shoring up. The Canucks have like 3 or 4 goaltending coaches: Cloutier, Melanson, and a couple of other guys I don't remember their names. More is not necessarily better, but when the results aren't there......

I agree 100% about changing the coaching, but I don't think that changing the coach will be enough. The Flames need to improve their goal tending development from the ECHL up. This is especially true with Parsons entering the system.

If the Flames want to have success, they need to produce NHL goalies out of their prospects. This is something that their current goalie development team has proven that they can't do.

[Otto-matic]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

I am most concerned about about the Goaltending coach position. I am not confident in the current coach.

Agreed.

Jordan Sigalet needs to go. It seems like every goalie he's worked on has regressed or had consistency issues

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Otto-matic

Agreed.

Jordan Sigalet needs to go. It seems like every goalie he's worked on has regressed or had consistency issues

Again, I would challenge this. I'm not saying that they shouldn't go in a different direction, but not for this rationale.
Crud in crud out.
What goalies regressed? Elliott maybe but has never been able to be a full time #1. So that's established.
Hiller was on the way down since his vertigo issues
Ramo was unproven
Ortio was unproven

[Toonage]

I would replace him based on the assumed role of a goaltending coach - psychiatrist.

Sometimes a new voice is needed with a different take on things.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Again, I would challenge this. I'm not saying that they shouldn't go in a different direction, but not for this rationale.
Crud in crud out.
What goalies regressed? Elliott maybe but has never been able to be a full time #1. So that's established.
Hiller was on the way down since his vertigo issues
Ramo was unproven
Ortio was unproven

What goalie has improved? An occasional success story might be nice.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

While I think what you have listed is true, the issue for resides with #5. Following up, neither the Flames nor Treliving indicated there was a problem. There really wasb't a reason to believe he wouldn't be back. If there was an indication that they weren't talking, or that they were going to wait until July 1, then I think the conclusion is warranted.

...and they never would publicly. It's a negotiation, they don't do that in the public eye.

From Dreger, Friedman, McKenzie - a number of people who we traditionally listen to and trust as insiders all voiced similar confusion regarding the situation.

Just because they got a deal done, does not mean the process was silky smooth.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

While I think what you have listed is true, the issue for resides with #5. Following up, neither the Flames nor Treliving indicated there was a problem. There really wasb't a reason to believe he wouldn't be back. If there was an indication that they weren't talking, or that they were going to wait until July 1, then I think the conclusion is warranted.

Point #2 was all the justification he needed for speculation.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by nik-

What goalie has improved? An occasional success story might be nice.

That's a more fair way of evaluating him.
I just think the narrative that goalies diminished under him is not a fair way of evaluating him.
Though I still think the crud in crud out argument applies.

[Mister Yamoto]

Would it be too out of the box to just let whoever the next starter is hire his own coach?