Ryan controls the vote, cannot imagine him letting a vote happen that makes him a massive loser.
Calling it off 90 minutes early doesn't make them look too good either.
This ultimatum thing seems very "Trump". He's The Boss, and if you don't follow along, he'll getcha! And he can't have his bluff called, no matter what.
He probably thinks he can fire the people that don't vote his way.
The whole thing is so absurd. They are voting on a "healthcare" bill that doesn't consider mental health, hospital visits, and newborn care "essential".
Next week, an environmental protection bill that doesn't include air and water under the umbrella of "environment".
McCain wants a "select committee". I don't know enough about Senate procedure to know what that entails.
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Well I mean I get why the White House wants a vote, they want to make an enemies list. Problem is a lot of those "enemies" are people beloved by the Breitbart crowd. So it obviously presents a major conundrum. There's also the fact that if there is a vote and it's obvious it's going to lose, a lot of people will switch to no just to avoid being on the losing side. So it may only make things worse. I think it ultimately gets pulled.
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This is how Trump "negotiates". In business he simply says "Do it my way or I don't pay. I have more money than you and better lawyers so you better do it."
That's not negotiation and when your bullying powers are somewhat limited as it is in politics it doesn't work.
^^ yes an enemy list. The problem for him is the guys he can't convince are the guys who represent his core voters. That's why the entire week has been about appeasing the "Freedom" Caucus. But by moving steadily to the right and making it a completely useless healthcare bill he will lose the center republicans especially in the Senate. And the administration needs to be scared of that because if they truly loose them when it comes time to vote on things, rather than mean words from the likes of McCain, they will lose complete control of the agenda. That might be the best thing to happen for the american public as it may force governance from the center.
Call me crazy, but Ryan's best play here, it seems, is to simultaneously remove Nunes from the house intelligence chair while calling for an independent investigation and cancel the vote on the AHCA.
This is how Trump "negotiates". In business he simply says "Do it my way or I don't pay. I have more money than you and better lawyers so you better do it."
That's not negotiation.
It was said of a great man that "when you go into a negotiation with him, you may not get what you want, but you know what you get will be fair." Trump is not a great man.
Call me crazy, but Ryan's best play here, it seems, is to simultaneously remove Nunes from the house intelligence chair while calling for an independent investigation and cancel the vote on the AHCA.
You're crazy.
What he should do and what he will do are two entirely different things.
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So...you're against military spending I assume? Or at least in favour of VERY limited engagements to limit conflicts to only the most necessary situations?
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Call me crazy, but Ryan's best play here, it seems, is to simultaneously remove Nunes from the house intelligence chair while calling for an independent investigation and cancel the vote on the AHCA.
That actually makes sense; if he feels like the White House is setting him up to fail and hang this all on him as the scapegoat, his best play might be to change the focus and undercut the whitehouse. He's in a pretty-much no-win scenario, but standing up to Trump at the exact moment that everything begins to collapse is a chance to salvage something out of this.
If everyone didn't hate each other so much, the moderate Republicans and moderate Democrats could probably come up with a halfway decent health plan that could get passed, and if Trump could pull that off, he'd probably make himself look pretty good. I suppose I'd have better odds hoping for a meteor to destroy Washington.
It is still early, but he is so far over his head it'd be funny if it were a loser country and not America.
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But Thursday’s reality check came with a Trumpian dose of the surreal.
Mr. Trump appeared almost oblivious to the dire situation unfolding in the hours after he hosted a meeting with members of the House Freedom Caucus at the White House, where he made the case Mr. Winston pointed to — that not passing the health bill risks the rest of the Republican agenda.
In the midafternoon, a beaming Mr. Trump climbed into the rig of a black tractor-trailer, which had been driven to the White House for an event with trucking industry executives, honking the horn and posing for a series of tough-guy photos — one with his fists held aloft, another staring straight ahead, hands gripping the large wheel, his face compressed into an excited scream.
At a meeting inside shortly afterward, Mr. Trump announced that he was pressed for time and needed to go make calls for more votes.
A reporter informed him that the vote had already been called off.
That actually makes sense; if he feels like the White House is setting him up to fail and hang this all on him as the scapegoat, his best play might be to change the focus and undercut the whitehouse. He's in a pretty-much no-win scenario, but standing up to Trump at the exact moment that everything begins to collapse is a chance to salvage something out of this.
He's in the line of succession. If the independent commission finds both Pence and Trump to be involved with Russia, he wins big.
Washington (CNN)House Speaker Paul Ryan met Friday with President Donald Trump to tell him Republicans don't have the votes to pass the GOP health care bill.
A key portion of the Trump-Ryan conversation was over the ownership of the health care bill and whether the President will take either full or partial responsibility over a decision to pull the bill, two people familiar with health care talks say.
Ryan showed Trump the numbers, and asked what the President wants the speaker to do. The decision is largely in the hands of the White House, the sources say, and the speaker wants to make it "the President's call."
Efforts on Capitol Hill to sway members are ongoing, but things aren't heading in the right direction.
"Not good. Not good at all," the source said.
So Comey is at the Whitehouse right now. Nobody seems to know why, or whether this appearance was initiated by the FBI or he was called there by the Whitehouse... seeing all sorts of theories from him delivering subpoenas (I doubt he personally does that), to him being summoned to be asked for his resignation. Likely something less dramatic is the truth, but then at this point, who knows?!
I like how the focus of this talk is not how they can improve the AHCA bill to provide better health care for Americans and get the votes they need going forward, but whether Trump's ego will allow him to take responsibility for this disaster even though up to this point he's been quite proud to have his stamp of approval all over it.
I personally do not want a penny of my tax dollars going to any organization that terminates unborn children. My personal view. When I was young I was pro choice. Then I looked at my sons ultra sound and almost like magic my views have changed. I believe a fetus is life. I believe life is the most precious thing in the universe. There are options for mothers who do not want a baby besides terminating it. Really getting off topic here. I thought I would share my personal experience to give you an idea of where I am coming from.
Yes, I understand that it's not pretty and it's not nice but ultimately, this is not your child. What right do you have to control what another mother or family has to go through?
If your son being born was going to cause your wife to suffer/die or there was some other birth complication, or even financial issues etc. wouldn't you rather have the ability to make your own personal, private, choice as a family? Why would you allow other folks or the government to legislate what you do with the very lives of your own family? You mention "there are other options" but ground level and government action against pro-choice is taking away options from real families because other people want to stick their noses and values into something that should be none of their business.
