American Politics Thread: Orange is the new POTUS (Archive)

[Texas Flames Fan]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Ah, but we're not talking about the same thing. If you're taking about direct medicaid reimbursement for medical services such as cervical cancer screening, mammograms and perinatal care, then I will agree with you. How does that support abortions?

I personally do not want a penny of my tax dollars going to any organization that terminates unborn children. My personal view. When I was young I was pro choice. Then I looked at my sons ultra sound and almost like magic my views have changed. I believe a fetus is life. I believe life is the most precious thing in the universe. There are options for mothers who do not want a baby besides terminating it. Really getting off topic here. I thought I would share my personal experience to give you an idea of where I am coming from.

[burn_this_city]

Math is hard guys, ease off a bit.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by Texas Flames Fan

I personally do not want a penny of my tax dollars going to any organization that terminates unborn children

Hospitals perform abortions, so....

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

You don't even read your own links. That report states that from 2010-2012 combined, Planned Parenthood Federation of America received $342 million, and that the number went down each year (126 to 112 to 105). That's not $500 million a year.

Which is unfortunate, because if you had read the report, you'd have come across this table which would have answered the earlier question about "what Planned Parenthood actually does".



The quote in your post, which is unattributed, seems to come from an article on teaparty.org. I, for one, am shocked.

Pictured here: what TFF and other hardcore Trump supporters actually see.

Spoiler!

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Texas Flames Fan

I personally do not want a penny of my tax dollars going to any organization that terminates unborn children. My personal view.

Ahem.

I don’t know from where you get the idea that taxpayers shouldn’t have to pay for anything of which they disapprove. Lots of them don’t like tanks. Even more don’t like Congress.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by Texas Flames Fan

I personally do not want a penny of my tax dollars going to any organization that terminates unborn children. My personal view. When I was young I was pro choice. Then I looked at my sons ultra sound and almost like magic my views have changed. I believe a fetus is life. I believe life is the most precious thing in the universe. There are options for mothers who do not want a baby besides terminating it. Really getting off topic here. I thought I would share my personal experience to give you an idea of where I am coming from.

So when you saw your son you realized that you don't want anyone to be able to make life defining choices for themselves?

Was that the same time you decided you would ignore facts and science in favor of your feelings?

If you really think life is the most precious thing in the universe then why does your stance include removing access to the most effective method of reducing abortion numbers, which is access to effective contraception? Something PP provides for 10x more people than abortion.

Abortion rates are at an all time low in the US and PP is part of the reason for that because of all of the other critical services they provide, which you have chosen to completely ignore and gloss over.

[kermitology]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Three year fiscal period, not two. And those are federal funds.

I wasn't sure if that was inclusive. Thank you for correcting me.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by Texas Flames Fan

I personally do not want a penny of my tax dollars going to any organization that terminates unborn children. My personal view. When I was young I was pro choice. Then I looked at my sons ultra sound and almost like magic my views have changed. I believe a fetus is life. I believe life is the most precious thing in the universe. There are options for mothers who do not want a baby besides terminating it. Really getting off topic here. I thought I would share my personal experience to give you an idea of where I am coming from.

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Ahem.

Oh dear god this is the best post I've read in so very very long!

Guessing TFF just ignores this one though.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Texas Flames Fan

I personally do not want a penny of my tax dollars going to any organization that terminates unborn children. My personal view. When I was young I was pro choice. Then I looked at my sons ultra sound and almost like magic my views have changed. I believe a fetus is life. I believe life is the most precious thing in the universe. There are options for mothers who do not want a baby besides terminating it. Really getting off topic here. I thought I would share my personal experience to give you an idea of where I am coming from.

I too believe life is precious, which is why I believe removing a service that prevents (not aborts) 600,000 unwanted pregnancies and maternal care is irresponsible. Why do you want to shut down literally the only provider available for pregnant women to get the care that helps them have a healthy child?

You aren't "pro life" if you don't want you tax dollars to fund the services required to stop babies from dying after birth. Is it pro life to strip essential health care that will lead to thousands more deaths?

You're obviously not pro life based on your stance on health insurance. If you believe the poor can die because they can't afford health insurance, you aren't concerned for their life.

Your pro fetus, not pro life. There's a case to be made that abortion is unethical, and I'll listen to that. But to call your stance "pro life" is unquestionably false

[ResAlien]

He's coming around now guys. Few more posts and he'll see the light.

[calgarygeologist]

I'm not home today and not following the news. When are they supposed to be voting on the health care plan?

[RougeUnderoos]

1:30mst

[Senator Clay Davis]

There's not gonna be a vote, no way they go on record taking a massive L.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

I too believe life is precious, which is why I believe removing a service that prevents (not aborts) 600,000 unwanted pregnancies and maternal care is irresponsible. Why do you want to shut down literally the only provider available for pregnant women to get the care that helps them have a healthy child?

You aren't "pro life" if you don't want you tax dollars to fund the services required to stop babies from dying after birth. Is it pro life to strip essential health care that will lead to thousands more deaths?

You're obviously not pro life based on your stance on health insurance. If you believe the poor can die because they can't afford health insurance, you aren't concerned for their life.

Your pro fetus, not pro life. There's a case to be made that abortion is unethical, and I'll listen to that. But to call your stance "pro life" is unquestionably false

He's not even that, he is anti-safe abortion.
Abortion rates are at an all time low. Removing funding from the largest supplier of contraception in the US will not help lower that rate, and it certainly won't help ensure the safety/well being of women who have no real/perceived option other than an abortion when they don't have a safe place to have it done.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Texas Flames Fan

I personally do not want a penny of my tax dollars going to any organization that terminates unborn children.

Yet you would support funding the military and Trump's increases to funding it, right?

The military has killed pregnant women with air strikes in Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan over the course of 15 years of war (and more). Do those unborn children count too? Or just unborn children that will become US citizens?

Would like to know your positon on this. And yes, this is beyond the abortion debate.

[Flash Walken]

Well, it was a good run guys, but I'm going to go join dobbles elsewhere.

[Drak]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Well, it was a good run guys, but I'm going to go join dobbles elsewhere.

No one leaves.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

There's not gonna be a vote, no way they go on record taking a massive L.

Spicer just said they will, and it's a strategy, and we won't tell you why.

Get them on record for the vote?

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Spicer just said they will, and it's a strategy, and we won't tell you why.

Get them on record for the vote?

Ryan controls the vote, cannot imagine him letting a vote happen that makes him a massive loser.

[FlameOn]

Republican House Intelligence Committee chair Devin Nunes abruptly canceled today's open hearings on Trump's Russia involvement without notice or reschedule. Democrats and press are furious and are calling for independent commission. Nunes essentially blew up the investigation because he realized the scope of what he negotiated with Schiff could actually threaten Trump. Holy obstruction of justice.

The ranking Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, Adam Schiff, claims its Republican chairman has cancelled an open hearing into Russia's involvement in the 2016 election.

Adam Schiff tweeted that Devin Nunes had "cancelled open Intelligence Committee hearing with Clapper, Brennan and Yates in attempt to choke off public info", referring to former Deputy Attorney General Sally Yates, Director of the CIA John Brennan, and Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, all former Obama administration officials.

In a separate development, Donald Trump’s former campaign chair Paul Manafort has voluntarily agreed to be questioned by the committee regarding alleged ties to Moscow, according to Representative Nunes.

Speaking to reporters on Capitol Hill, Mr Nunes said that Mr Manafort will be questioned by the committee but would not say whether the session would be open or closed.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7648546.html

To quote some analysts on this.

1.) source says Nunes never told committee members he was canceling March 28 open hearing. Members didnt find out until Nunes presser today
2.) House Intel Dems are livid -- calling this second obstruction of the investigation this week by Nunes
3.) Speier tells @jeremyherb that Nunes has to step down

1.) Schiff gives chronology of week: Monday hearing (Comey confirms probe), Tues-Wed Nunes "dead of night excursion" gets docs & keeps private
2.) Schiff: Nunes' actions were "wholly inappropriate" and "cast grave doubts into the ability [of HPSCI] to run a credible investigation."
3.) Schiff says Dems "welcome at any time bringing" Comey and Rogers back for a closed session, but oppose public hearing cancellation.
4.) Schiff: Dems asked Repubs to have C+R brief in open session Tues and do closed hearing if necessary. Says Nunes rejected.
5.) Schiff: "We strongly object to the cancellation of this hearing. We would still urge the majority to reconsider."
6.) Schiff: "I don't know" if WH orchestrated Wednesday's events and leaked docs to Nunes. Says he's disturbed Nunes won't rule it out.
7.) Schiff: "We really do need an independent commission here." Public needs confidence someone has done thorough probe "untainted" by politics.
8.) Schiff: Best option is for us to keep working but set up that independent, 9/11-comission-style body.
9.) Schiff: Nunes doing presser outside WH "important in terms of understanding what's going on here." (Wow.)

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