Edmonton is No Good Episode 4: New Rink, Same Stink

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

If he holds out 3 or 4 teams will offer sheet him $14m+

Orr knows McDavid holds all the cards plus a couple of aces up each sleeve, there won't be any haircut for this kid.

Who's going to give him $14M? McDavid is worth 2 Johnny Gaudreaus because... Why? He's not. He's a great player, but he's not getting quarterback money.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Iggy3x

It would be funny if McDavid holds out and leaves E=NG land by accepting an offer sheet!

But who would the Edmonton media talk about then? They can't go thirty seconds without saying his name.

[dino7c]

Kopitar has a 10M cap hit

you guys are ####ing dreaming if you think he comes in below the 12 range


Will be interesting what happens in July...it will either get done quickly or not until after next year IMO

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Who's going to give him $14M? McDavid is worth 2 Johnny Gaudreaus because... Why? He's not. He's a great player, but he's not getting quarterback money.

It's likely that McDavid will have multiple Art Ross, Hart, and/or Lester Pearson trophies by the age of 21.

Yes, I'd say he is worth quarterback money, and there will be at least half a dozen teams in the league willing to offer that to him. If Chiarelli lets McDavid hit RFA, it will be a massive blunder, IMO.

[Buff]

If they're far apart then I can see McDavid saying, "okay, wait until you see what I do next year, then you'll come closer to my asking price." There is plenty of time, McDavid doesn't need to sign anything right away, and the Oilers don't need to start "panicking" until June 2018.

[djsFlames]

He'd be a nice boost to Vegas' offence.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Who's going to give him $14M? McDavid is worth 2 Johnny Gaudreaus because... Why? He's not. He's a great player, but he's not getting quarterback money.

Who?

The same type of owner that offer sheeted Shea Weber $110 million that's who.

Of course he's not worth it but if someone is willing to pay Weber $80 million in salary over the first 6 years of his contract you can bet your ass someone would offer $98 million over 7 for McDavid.

[dino7c]

McDavid is the most marketable player in the NHL...What would he be worth to the Rangers strictly financially speaking

I agree no player is worth it on the ice but there is more to it than that

[polak]

Originally Posted by Buff

If they're far apart then I can see McDavid saying, "okay, wait until you see what I do next year, then you'll come closer to my asking price." There is plenty of time, McDavid doesn't need to sign anything right away, and the Oilers don't need to start "panicking" until June 2018.

No he won't. Big risk if he gets hurt.

[Enoch Root]

If there is a desire to discuss McDavid's potential salary, start a thread for it. And stop ruining this thread.

[CaptainCrunch]

McDavid and I hate to say it is the first true franchise player since Crosby. Not if's or buts. You not only build your team on the ice around him, but he also becomes your teams identity.

I love Johnny, but he's not in that kind of class. He's just not.

But being a franchise player comes with all sorts of levers that his agent is going to play when it comes to contracts.

The hockey world has evolved since the days of Gretzky signing a nice deal with Edmonton for the benefit of the Oilers, with the whole spit on your hand and my word is my bond.

The players realize more then ever that this is no longer a quaint hockey league making 300 million a year. This is a multi-billion dollar international machine with a powerful players association that's going to expect that McDavid and his agent are going to set the upper tier in terms of player value for the next 8 years.

I would bet that the agents starting position will be we want 5 or 6 years at 11 per, that's your discount. The Oilers will come back with 12 for 8, the agent will laugh and say if you want to buy UFA years it will be 14. They'll come to 12 or 12.5 for 8 and sign.

There won't be home town discounts, players with that kind of value don't do it.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Who?

The same type of owner that offer sheeted Shea Weber $110 million that's who.

Of course he's not worth it but if someone is willing to pay Weber $80 million in salary over the first 6 years of his contract you can bet your ass someone would offer $98 million over 7 for McDavid.

The Weber deal is 14 years long. If the Flyers had to pay Shea Weber $14M against the cap, they wouldn't have signed him because that's insane.

Nobody is giving any hockey player quarterback money in this cap reality.

[getbak]

If the cap doesn't go up next season, and McDavid signs for the same percentage of the cap that Crosby signed for on his second contract (signed in the summer after he won the Art Ross Trophy in his second pro season), his cap hit will be $12.63M.

If he signs for the same percentage of the cap that Ovechkin signed for on his second contract (signed during the season when he was on pace to win the Art Ross in his third pro season), his cap hit will be $13.87M.


If the cap goes up next season, those numbers would also go up.

[The Yen Man]

McDavid has Katz and OEG over a barrel. They are going to give him whatever he wants. Katz has pretty much stated that McDavid is worth about a billion dollars to him. There's a reason why the call him Baby Jesus in the office. He's going to get paid!

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

If there is a desire to discuss McDavid's potential salary, start a thread for it. And stop ruining this thread.

The McDavid contract is foundational to why Edmonton will be no good for years to come. Some posters like to look at E=NG from a macro stance and should not be told that bringing up future futility is not worthy of this thread.

Let's face it, that team has been built randomly and by piece meal at the whim of a dumb owner for years. They picked a new GM to get them out of it whose only weakness' are trading, managing cap, and drafting. And the only 3 players who actually contribute are about to get 300-500% raises. Also, they're at the cap already. If you can't see the no goodness here, I don't know what to tell ya.

[rocksteady]

Originally Posted by Major Major

The McDavid contract is foundational to why Edmonton will be no good for years to come. Some posters like to look at E=NG from a macro stance and should not be told that bringing up future futility is not worthy of this thread.

Let's face it, that team has been built randomly and by piece meal at the whim of a dumb owner for years. They picked a new GM to get them out of it whose only weakness' are trading, managing cap, and drafting. And the only 3 players who actually contribute are about to get 300-500% raises. Also, they're at the cap already. If you can't see the no goodness here, I don't know what to tell ya.

I... I think you're reaching here my good friend.
*Don't come here much, but I like to check in how you fine folks are doing*
Anywhoo.. your bring up a few points that I just have to take issue with. Firstly, let's talk about the McDavid contract being be a bad foundation for the team. I'm assuming you're talking from a dollar value and cap. Mcdavid will command 10M a year over 10 years (100M contact), and yes in it's current cap system the Oilers will be hard pressed to keep Draisaitl and Puljuljarvi and RNH.. and.. and.. but I think you're thinking in the present term. The cap will go up 3% this year as mandated by the NHLPA that gives the Oilers I think 3M for next season to add which is a decent player in itself. Connor is tied into the Oilers to 2018-19 season at his present rate so with simple math with a basis line of 3M per season the cap will go up 6M by the time McDavid commands his big contract (and by God, he'll get it) you have take aways from the books of the Ference signing (3.25), Pouliot will be gone by Vegas (*hoping*) Nurse and Benning are probably going to be re-upped but in the end the Oilers will have room. Will they be to the cap, heck yeah. Draisaitl isn't going to get more than 6 a year and less in a bridge deal so again no issue. Will the Oilers have to do finagling? You're right, they do, however foundational wreckage because of McDavid's contract? That's a reach. The Pens can and have done it with Malkin and Crosby, why don't you think the Oilers can?

Dumb owner... hey man he's surrounded his franchise with his idols.. yep that's dumb no argument. How about Bobby Nick and company? I think they are extremely well connected and smart hockey people. Bob Nicholson with his reach in running Hockey Canada, it's nothing but business smarts, and I think also hockey smarts - one thing for sure he's done a heck of a job running the OEG.

Chia's done some highly suspect signings. We're still not over the Hall trade and while I personally think the trade worked out because Larsson is pretty amazing, there are a few that which the number 4 wasn't Russell. In the end, he's got us to the playoffs and I really hope the Flames and Oilers meet up in the post. Chia's had a poor performance at the trade deadline and his announcement of "happy to be where the Oilers are" and "we're going to run with what we got" are concerning but hardly a cause for alarm or franchise faltering. In the end he got us to the playoffs, and should be commended for doing that.

As for the 3 players getting 300 - 500% raises, again an hysterical reach. The oilers will have to anti up some change to keep some of the players we have, Eberle may be gone but if Puljuljarvi keep progressing, he's a super cheap option. We are getting scoring from most of our team, not as even as we like but in the end we're not in "backup up the brink truck to pay them" territory.

Anyways, great thread, thjanks for listening and hope that I'm not eviscerated because I defended my team.

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by rocksteady

Anywhoo.. your bring up a few points that I just have to take issue with. Firstly, let's talk about the McDavid contract being be a bad foundation for the team. I'm assuming you're talking from a dollar value and cap. Mcdavid will command 10M a year over 10 years (100M contact)

Max deal allowed is 8yrs, assuming it's with Edmonton.

Also, why does McDavid sign for $10M AAV, when offer sheets are on his agent's desk for $13M+ AAV? Do you believe he ignores those offer sheets, or do you believe that they won't exist?

[rocksteady]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

Max deal allowed is 8yrs, assuming it's with Edmonton.

Also, why does McDavid sign for $10M AAV, when offer sheets are on his agent's desk for $13M+ AAV?

Yeah, the Crosby/Ovi rule, sorry, 8 years. Offer sheets? think about that for a moment, how many teams would give McDavid an offer sheet when the pay back is so high that it takes the org that offered it so far back that should they try to pull it off, the team will be cap max'd and no players to push for the cup? You'd think McD would sign up for that? Yeah, I don't think he would either. 13M? The points on here is the Oilers will be cap maxed if we sign him, so another team has that money? That doesn't make sense, they would be in the same cap max situation. I think money isn't a factor for McD, winning is a huge one.

[CaptainCrunch]

The NHLPA and his agent are not going to let him sell prime years for cheap. The only way he would sign for $10 million dollars is if its a contract that maybe takes him to earliest UFA.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Who's going to give him $14M?

31 teams in the NHL.