Edmonton is No Good Episode 4: New Rink, Same Stink

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by dash_pinched

Gary Bettman wants to bring the NHL entry draft and the All-Star game to Edmonton. Also, some comedy gold from the commish below...

The commissioner also offered his thoughts on the Oilers, who are enjoying a strong season and are in the hunt for a Western Conference playoff spot.

"It's a bit of fun to see the team perform better than it has in the last few years in the first year in its new home," he said. "Maybe some people would say there is a connection between the two."

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/b...game-edmonton/

Reading between the lines...if you can bilk citizens out of money for a shiny new arena, the league will do your team favours?

[BloodFetish]

[QUOTE=JerryUnderscore;6169843]I hear this narrative a lot, but when was the last time an elite talent decided to play for their hometown team upon becoming a UFA? Stamkos was probably the closest that I can think of, but he still decided to re-sign in Tampa.

nm, already answered.

[keratosis]

Enough with the will he won't he sign there derailing.
E=NG!

[McG]

Originally Posted by Eric Vail
I don't think you can ignore the fact that none of the Oiler greats finished their careers in Edmonton.

Originally Posted by calgaryred

True but there wasn't a salary cap back then. Players left for more money cause they could get it in a larger market.

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by extrapolation then, using simple logic, that means that there haven't been any great oilers in the salary cap era because there are none that have remained. This despite all of those high draft picks... so McDavid then is the potential outlier? what are the odds on that?

Here is more definitive logic: e=ng.

[Cactus Jack]

Originally Posted by DAN0383

I've always thought McDavid will end up a NY Ranger like Messier and Gretzky.

Like Tom Erixon too

[Dan403]

Originally Posted by Cactus Jack

Like Tom Erixon too

Tom for the HHOF!

[burn_this_city]

Speaking of Tom, Pens have tons of injuries and not a sniff of playing in the NHL this year. Haha

[JerryUnderscore]

Originally Posted by Magnum PEI

Suter and Parise did, not sure if they're technically elite though, but pretty close.

I definitely wouldn't put Sutter or Parise in the elite category.

Crosby
Ovi
Stamkos
Toews
Kane
Kopitar
Bergeron (maybe)
Quick
Lundqvist
Subban
Doughty

I'm sure more could go on this list, but these are guys I would say are elite. These guys certainly don't ever make it to free agency, let alone decide to head to another city as soon as they kind.

However, as we saw with Subban and Weber this summer, trades can happen. Edmonton traded Gretzky and Hall, so who knows maybe they'll trade McDavid too.

[Eric Vail]

Originally Posted by JerryUnderscore

I definitely wouldn't put Sutter or Parise in the elite category.

Crosby
Ovi
Stamkos
Toews
Kane
Kopitar
Bergeron (maybe)
Quick
Lundqvist
Subban
Doughty

I'm sure more could go on this list, but these are guys I would say are elite. These guys certainly don't ever make it to free agency, let alone decide to head to another city as soon as they kind.

However, as we saw with Subban and Weber this summer, trades can happen. Edmonton traded Gretzky and Hall, so who knows maybe they'll trade McDavid too.

All of those guys played for teams that either won Stanley Cups or were top contenders. If they had played for a perennial loser, they may not decide to stay put.

[dino7c]

honestly I would rather the Oilers sign him to a 12M/8 year deal than lose him

and I think that is how it will play out...

[GioforPM]

Elite? Chara in 2006?

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Reading between the lines...if you can bilk citizens out of money for a shiny new arena, the league will do your team favours?

What the NHL giveth the HLPA taketh away.

McDavid will be under pressure from his comrades to set the bar as high as possible.

I'm sure Gary would prefer 8-10 years of McD in EDM before moving to TO, NYR or LAK. But I don't see his charm being sufficient to make that happen.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by dino7c

honestly I would rather the Oilers sign him to a 12M/8 year deal than lose him

and I think that is how it will play out...

I could see $12.0 on a four or five year deal, but will be surprised if McDavid exchanges UFA years for anything less than $13.0 m.

[sun]

Originally Posted by dash_pinched

Gary Bettman wants to bring the NHL entry draft and the All-Star game to Edmonton. Also, some comedy gold from the commish below...

The commissioner also offered his thoughts on the Oilers, who are enjoying a strong season and are in the hunt for a Western Conference playoff spot.

"It's a bit of fun to see the team perform better than it has in the last few years in the first year in its new home," he said. "Maybe some people would say there is a connection between the two."

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/b...game-edmonton/

lol very trump-like quote there, Bettman.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by keratosis

Enough with the will he won't he sign there derailing.
E=NG!

When he leaves it will fuel the hate reactor for eternity, not off topic at all.

[djsFlames]

Don't the Oilers have the least home points of any playoff positioned team?

[JerryUnderscore]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I could see $12.0 on a four or five year deal, but will be surprised if McDavid exchanges UFA years for anything less than $13.0 m.

$12M would already be the highest cap hit in the league and would take up 15.74% of Edmonton's cap (assuming the cap is at $76M). Do you really think he could go up to $13M? That feels really high.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by keratosis

Enough with the will he won't he sign there derailing.
E=NG!

Thank you

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by JerryUnderscore

$12M would already be the highest cap hit in the league and would take up 15.74% of Edmonton's cap (assuming the cap is at $76M). Do you really think he could go up to $13M? That feels really high.

When Crosby signed his latest deal ($8.7M AAV x 12yrs), it was worth 14.50% of the cap ($60M). It was signed under the old CBA though, and so they were able to go beyond 8yrs and back-dive the final 3yrs massively to bring down the AAV ($12M per in 1st 3 years of the contract, and $3M per in last 3 years).

If we cut off years 9-12 of Crosby's deal to make it compliant with today's CBA, we're left with an 8yr contract @ $10.8M AAV, 18% of the salary cap at the time of signing.

What will the 2018/19 cap be? $78M? So an 8yr deal @ $14M AAV for McDavid?

Seems unrealistic... but certainly his agent will press for an amount in that neighbourhood, and the McDavid camp holds all of the leverage.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

When Crosby signed his latest deal ($8.7M AAV x 12yrs), it was worth 14.50% of the cap ($60M). It was signed under the old CBA though, and so they were able to go beyond 8yrs and back-dive the final 3yrs massively to bring down the AAV ($12M per in 1st 3 years of the contract, and $3M per in last 3 years).

Not quite. Crosby signed his extension on 7 July 2007, a full year prior to when it was activated for the 2007–08 season. The salary cap for the 2007–08 season was $50.3 m, so Crosby's deal actually accounted for 17.3% of the cap at the time it was signed.

17% of next year's salary cap is likely to be around $13 m.