Edmonton is No Good Episode 4: New Rink, Same Stink

[Bear]

Originally Posted by Weitz

Personaly I have settled on 12.125 for 8. Anything less than this will be a win in my book. I used to hope for less but just don't see it.

What does that leave for Draisaitl?

7 years at $6.5m reasonable?

[Ace]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

On B, I very much doubt you see a McDavid deal this summer, if his agent is smart he presses it to at least next summer and puts the hammer down to get the best deal possible. Why would he throw away a huge bargaining chip.

If you have a chance to lock in $100 million of guaranteed money why wouldn't you, the risk of a career ending injury is far greater than potentially earning another 10 million or so.

Now I have no idea how insurance would work before he signs a long term contract, maybe he still gets paid long term...

[Badgers Nose]

The prospect of Oilers losing McDavid for 4 first round picks July 2018 is just too delicious.

You like 1st round picks? Here have four. LOL

Leafs could easily offer that. With McDavid on that team the picks would be crap anyways.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Yeah, I know and I said as much.

But to the extent money talks, there are a lot of parallels. If you are relying on team loyalty to keep McDavid past his earliest UFA year, good luck.

Well, I hope you're right

[tsquared1967]

Originally Posted by Bear

What does that leave for Draisaitl?

7 years at $6.5m reasonable?

Draisaitl contract will be similar to Monahan so that is reasonable. His contract is up at the end of this year. Draisaitl has Eberle and Nugent-Hopkins to compare himself to.

If McDavid gets $11-12m/yr, the Oilers can't afford to pay 5 forwards $35-36m/yr. I see them trying to dump Eberle or RNH cause Lucic is going to cost them big for a salary dump.

I remember watching the draft lottery and seeing McDavid put on a brave face when the Oilers won. I can see him bolt to Toronto for big money. Endorsement deals in TO will be worth more then Edmonton as well.

[DAN0383]

I've always thought McDavid will end up a NY Ranger like Messier and Gretzky.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by tsquared1967

Draisaitl contract will be similar to Monahan so that is reasonable. His contract is up at the end of this year. Draisaitl has Eberle and Nugent-Hopkins to compare himself to.

If McDavid gets $11-12m/yr, the Oilers can't afford to pay 5 forwards $35-36m/yr. I see them trying to dump Eberle or RNH cause Lucic is going to cost them big for a salary dump.

I remember watching the draft lottery and seeing McDavid put on a brave face when the Oilers won. I can see him bolt to Toronto for big money. Endorsement deals in TO will be worth more then Edmonton as well.

Toronto is going to have some troubles of their own when Marner and Mathews need new deals.

Teams that constantly draft in that number one or two spot and pick up generational players will eventually end up in cap hell.

[Redrum]

Originally Posted by tsquared1967

I remember watching the draft lottery and seeing McDavid put on a brave face when the Oilers won.

I remember him not holding that face for long because a few seconds after the Oilers got the pick it looked like he just swallowed a mouthful of crab infested pubes.

[burn_this_city]

He looked devastated, rightly so.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by polak

Edmonton will pay him whatever he wants and match any offer he gets.

Unless he desperately wants out of Edmonton (which I doubt considering they're not playing poorly) he'll be in Edmonton until at least UFA.

Without McDavid Edmonton would be doing horribly. He's got 18% of the team's points. Without him, the Oilers are far more no good than they are right now. Think last year, possibly worse.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Itse

Well, I hope you're right

I just don't see it happening. Even if McDavid ends up signing an engorged offer sheet from another team, the Oilers will match. They have no choice. McDavid is pretty much the source of all of their scoring, and without him that lineup is easily among the worst in the entire NHL.

[polak]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Without McDavid Edmonton would be doing horribly. He's got 18% of the team's points. Without him, the Oilers are far more no good than they are right now. Think last year, possibly worse.

Oh I totally agree. I just don't think McDavid is going to do anything that drastic since the team isn't doing poorly. Too bad though.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by polak

Oh I totally agree. I just don't think McDavid is going to do anything that drastic since the team isn't doing poorly. Too bad though.

He's gotta be wondering why he isn't getting any help, though? Another season of him carrying the team on his shoulders and barely making the playoffs would make any intelligent person re-consider where he wants to spend the best years of his career. Unless he is just in it for the money.

[Calgary4LIfe]

McDavid is in a fairly unique situation since he is looking like he might win the Art Ross - possibly the Hart as well - while in his ELC.

He is considered to be a generational player.

There aren't many comparables. Ovie is not a comparable. At the time, it might have been debated if he is worth 4 1st overall picks or not. Being a winger, being Russian (the Russian factor), etc. Crosby is really the only comparable.

Yes, Crosby did sign at a fairly 'good' rate with Pittsburgh (wasn't anything crazy, is what I mean), but that was Crosby.

McDavid will never get to the situation of an offersheet - he knows and Edmonton knows that he doesn't need to. He is easily worth 4 first round picks - especially to an established team. They already have that team ready to plop McDavid into.

I do think he stays in Edmonton, but there is no guarantee that he will be as 'friendly' with his contract as Crosby was. He might be - he might actually sign for a relative bargain as compared to what his worth is - but he also might not. Nobody really knows at this point. He and his agent know that the other 30 teams in the NHL can give him the max offer and not worry about those 1st round picks in the slightest.

Crosby had Pittsburgh over the barrel, but he never pushed it. Will McDavid? I personally don't think he would demand max (or anything close to max) but anything can happen.

He can even play hardball and push the Oilers in a different direction. Signing for 9 or 10 million, but being adamant that it will only take him to his UFA years, not beyond, with the rationale that he wants to win and wants to put pressure on Edmonton to make sure that they have a competitive team at that time (if not prior).

Basically, even though McDavid is bound by his RFA status, he is very much in full control of the situation, and it will be interesting to see what transpires.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I just don't see it happening. Even if McDavid ends up signing an engorged offer sheet from another team, the Oilers will match. They have no choice. McDavid is pretty much the source of all of their scoring, and without him that lineup is easily among the worst in the entire NHL.

I've no doubt he's an Oiler for RFA years, my hopeful prediction is that they (a) have to match and (b) only get a minimum RFA term.

[cznTiburon]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

McDavid is in a fairly unique situation since he is looking like he might win the Art Ross - possibly the Hart as well - while in his ELC.

He is considered to be a generational player.

There aren't many comparables. Ovie is not a comparable. At the time, it might have been debated if he is worth 4 1st overall picks or not. Being a winger, being Russian (the Russian factor), etc. Crosby is really the only comparable.

Yes, Crosby did sign at a fairly 'good' rate with Pittsburgh (wasn't anything crazy, is what I mean), but that was Crosby.

McDavid will never get to the situation of an offersheet - he knows and Edmonton knows that he doesn't need to. He is easily worth 4 first round picks - especially to an established team. They already have that team ready to plop McDavid into.

I do think he stays in Edmonton, but there is no guarantee that he will be as 'friendly' with his contract as Crosby was. He might be - he might actually sign for a relative bargain as compared to what his worth is - but he also might not. Nobody really knows at this point. He and his agent know that the other 30 teams in the NHL can give him the max offer and not worry about those 1st round picks in the slightest.

Crosby had Pittsburgh over the barrel, but he never pushed it. Will McDavid? I personally don't think he would demand max (or anything close to max) but anything can happen.

He can even play hardball and push the Oilers in a different direction. Signing for 9 or 10 million, but being adamant that it will only take him to his UFA years, not beyond, with the rationale that he wants to win and wants to put pressure on Edmonton to make sure that they have a competitive team at that time (if not prior).

Basically, even though McDavid is bound by his RFA status, he is very much in full control of the situation, and it will be interesting to see what transpires.

When Crosby signed off his ELC his cap hit was 17.3% of the salary cap. If the cap hovers around the 76 million dollar mark when he resigns assuming he wants to mirror the level crosby had he would be looking at slightly over 13 million. Definitely a strong possibility we see Mcdavid go for as high a percentage as he can as his agent will likely fight for the crosby comparable in terms of percentages

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by cznTiburon

When Crosby signed off his ELC his cap hit was 17.3% of the salary cap. If the cap hovers around the 76 million dollar mark when he resigns assuming he wants to mirror the level crosby had he would be looking at slightly over 13 million. Definitely a strong possibility we see Mcdavid go for as high a percentage as he can as his agent will likely fight for the crosby comparable in terms of percentages

I heard a couple nights ago that he's better than Crosby.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

McDavid is in a fairly unique situation since he is looking like he might win the Art Ross - possibly the Hart as well - while in his ELC....
Crosby is really the only comparable.

Yes, Crosby did sign at a fairly 'good' rate with Pittsburgh (wasn't anything crazy, is what I mean), but that was Crosby...

When Crosby signed his RFA contract on 7 July 2007—which paid him an AAV of $8.7 m—the highest paid player in the NHL was Jaromir Jagr making $8.36 m. The highest paid player in the NHL this year is Shea Weber, making $14.0 m. Crosby's RFA deal was also only five years, and I think there is a pretty good chance that McDavid likewise does not include many UFA years.

[Coach]

Im torn between him remaining with the Oilers, and the inevitable, year-long s*** show if he doesn't sign as soon as humanly possible. I really need less McDavid in my lie.

[DownhillGoat]

Originally Posted by MattyC

I really need less McDavid in my lie.

You're fooling yourself if you think there'll be less McDavid in your life if he signs early. There will be the same amount of McDavid, but the McDavid topic will change.