I think it's time Treliving starts taking some serious heat

[Flash Walken]

Where is the rest of the Calgary media and why aren't they following up on this?

I mean, honestly.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Joborule

Pleasantly surprised that the Flames seem to have found a way to maintain consistency. They've evolved into a different team that's tougher and more resilient in just a months time.

It's almost like they are young rebuilding team or something that's going to go through growing pains.

[Dan403]

With the Flames winning 10 in a row, is it time to admit that this thread was short sighted and reactionary?

[PepsiFree]

Treliving, Gulutzan, Elliott, Hamilton...

At this rate, Calgarypuck is going to be responsible for the endangerment of the North American Crow.

[Gaudfather]

Funny....how winning changes people's perceptions and opinions. One might call it a cure all!

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Treliving, Gulutzan, Elliott, Hamilton...

At this rate, Calgarypuck is going to be responsible for the endangerment of the North American Crow.

I fought tooth and nail for 3 out of the 4. But I am totally feasting on crow over Elliott right now.

[Robbob]

It was always a process. People just need to learn to trust the process.

[Huntingwhale]

Post 7 and 25 are my favourite.

[Knut]

I also like how Stay Golden has some sort of personal issue with Treliving.

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

Post 7 and 25 are my favourite.

Haha, I've already said I was wrong numerous times. Completely wrong, an idiot even.

That said, if the Flames didn't put it together I'd still get the boilerplate "they aren't good enough, still rebuilding, give it time" response anyway.

I sit beside two Oiler fans at work. Man they are sour about Calgary passing them. Mentioned it this morning when I got in, the response was "Calgary gets another backup goalie....hurr durr....."

[Robbob]

Did you mention to them that it was the same "back-up" that they lost to the other night.

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by Hes

I also like how Stay Golden has some sort of personal issue with Treliving.

My feeling is that he knows Bob Hartley personally and so he was super triggered by Hartley's firing.

[Dan403]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

My feeling is that he knows Bob Hartley personally and so he was super triggered by Hartley's firing.

My money was on Treliving banging his sister. But this seems more likely.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Dan403

With the Flames winning 10 in a row, is it time to admit that this thread was short sighted and reactionary?

The Brouwer signing is still nothig short of brutal and most of this success is Tod Button's core, plus Frolik, Hamilton and a deadline rental (Stone) who may not be back next year. Treliving's goalies were never questioned, it was the skater group he was building with Chiasson, Grossmann, and Brouwer as some of his offseason additions expected to be significant contributors. Let's be real, Ferland, Monahan, Gaudreau, Backlund, Tkachuk, Brodie, Gio... those guys are the reason for the team success. Tod Button and/or no-brainer draft position.

Now was Gulutzan the right coach hired for this job? So far I would say yes, but two years ago Willie Desjardins was getting similar hype and positive reviews before Hartley coached circles around him in the playoffs. I am optimistic but coaching a playoff series isn't the same as coaching 82 games. Darryl Sutter said it himself - the coach doesn't do a whole lot until playoff time.

For now, we still have an anchor contract that may impact the contracts of Stone/Ferland/Bennett/Tkachuk and that anchor was signed by Tre. Long term do you trust Tre to avoid anchors when he signs some every other year? For now with the Stone trade I will say Treliving has earned another opportunity to be GM but he has not proven much more than that. He inherited an excellent core.

[Robbob]

Green text?

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

The Brouwer signing is still nothig short of brutal and most of this success is Tod Button's core, plus Frolik, Hamilton and a deadline rental (Stone) who may not be back next year. Treliving's goalies were never questioned, it was the skater group he was building with Chiasson, Grossmann, and Brouwer as some of his offseason additions expected to be significant contributors. Let's be real, Ferland, Monahan, Gaudreau, Backlund, Tkachuk, Brodie, Gio... those guys are the reason for the team success. Tod Button and/or no-brainer draft position.

Now was Gulutzan the right coach hired for this job? So far I would say yes, but two years ago Willie Desjardins was getting similar hype and positive reviews before Hartley coached circles around him in the playoffs. I am optimistic but coaching a playoff series isn't the same as coaching 82 games. Darryl Sutter said it himself - the coach doesn't do a whole lot until playoff time.

For now, we still have an anchor contract that may impact the contracts of Stone/Ferland/Bennett/Tkachuk and that anchor was signed by Tre. Long term do you trust Tre to avoid anchors when he signs some every other year? For now with the Stone trade I will say Treliving has earned another opportunity to be GM but he has not proven much more than that. He inherited an excellent core.

Which contract is the anchor contract that could impact the signings, just so I'm clear.

[Phaneufenstein]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

The Brouwer signing is still nothig short of brutal and most of this success is Tod Button's core, plus Frolik, Hamilton and a deadline rental (Stone) who may not be back next year. Treliving's goalies were never questioned, it was the skater group he was building with Chiasson, Grossmann, and Brouwer as some of his offseason additions expected to be significant contributors. Let's be real, Ferland, Monahan, Gaudreau, Backlund, Tkachuk, Brodie, Gio... those guys are the reason for the team success. Tod Button and/or no-brainer draft position.

Now was Gulutzan the right coach hired for this job? So far I would say yes, but two years ago Willie Desjardins was getting similar hype and positive reviews before Hartley coached circles around him in the playoffs. I am optimistic but coaching a playoff series isn't the same as coaching 82 games. Darryl Sutter said it himself - the coach doesn't do a whole lot until playoff time.

For now, we still have an anchor contract that may impact the contracts of Stone/Ferland/Bennett/Tkachuk and that anchor was signed by Tre. Long term do you trust Tre to avoid anchors when he signs some every other year? For now with the Stone trade I will say Treliving has earned another opportunity to be GM but he has not proven much more than that. He inherited an excellent core.

So to summarize your post, Treliving doesn't really deserve any credit for the current team, and Brouwer contract will haunt the Flames forever.
Right?

I don't typically judge posts too harshly, but you're ignoring so many factors here, it's not even close to a fair assessment.

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by Dan403

My money was on Treliving banging his sister. But this seems more likely.

Maybe he really hates the Dragon's Den or got some really bad service at Boston Pizza one time.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

The Brouwer signing is still nothig short of brutal and most of this success is Tod Button's core, plus Frolik, Hamilton and a deadline rental (Stone) who may not be back next year. Treliving's goalies were never questioned, it was the skater group he was building with Chiasson, Grossmann, and Brouwer as some of his offseason additions expected to be significant contributors. Let's be real, Ferland, Monahan, Gaudreau, Backlund, Tkachuk, Brodie, Gio... those guys are the reason for the team success. Tod Button and/or no-brainer draft position.

Now was Gulutzan the right coach hired for this job? So far I would say yes, but two years ago Willie Desjardins was getting similar hype and positive reviews before Hartley coached circles around him in the playoffs. I am optimistic but coaching a playoff series isn't the same as coaching 82 games. Darryl Sutter said it himself - the coach doesn't do a whole lot until playoff time.

For now, we still have an anchor contract that may impact the contracts of Stone/Ferland/Bennett/Tkachuk and that anchor was signed by Tre. Long term do you trust Tre to avoid anchors when he signs some every other year?

The goalies were never questioned? Gimme a break. And those core players you ID'd? Mostly re-signed by Treliving at workable prices. Brodie's contract is incredible. Gaudreau's is less than what a lot of posters wanted, Monahan was right at market price.

In what world were PTO Grossman and a guy traded for Pat Seiloff (Chiasson) expected to be big contributors. The fact Chiasson has contributed as much as he has is great.

Yeah, Brouwer has been mediocre at his salary. Name me a team that doesn't have a bad contract with a guy who didn't perform quite as well as expected? Treliving has actually been fairly "anchor" free. Of his larger deals, Frolik has worked out, Engelland worked out. Raymond didn't but the term was decent. The rest of his signings were cheap deals. Versteeg was a great find. Bart has been good. If Brouwer is Treliving's worst signing that's pretty good.

Your post completely ignored Hamilton, Frolik, the deadline deals he made for Hudler, Glencross and Russell, the deal for Stone, grabbing Versteeg, etc.

[Torture]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

The Brouwer signing is still nothig short of brutal and most of this success is Tod Button's core, plus Frolik, Hamilton and a deadline rental (Stone) who may not be back next year. Treliving's goalies were never questioned, it was the skater group he was building with Chiasson, Grossmann, and Brouwer as some of his offseason additions expected to be significant contributors. Let's be real, Ferland, Monahan, Gaudreau, Backlund, Tkachuk, Brodie, Gio... those guys are the reason for the team success. Tod Button and/or no-brainer draft position.

Now was Gulutzan the right coach hired for this job? So far I would say yes, but two years ago Willie Desjardins was getting similar hype and positive reviews before Hartley coached circles around him in the playoffs. I am optimistic but coaching a playoff series isn't the same as coaching 82 games. Darryl Sutter said it himself - the coach doesn't do a whole lot until playoff time.

For now, we still have an anchor contract that may impact the contracts of Stone/Ferland/Bennett/Tkachuk and that anchor was signed by Tre. Long term do you trust Tre to avoid anchors when he signs some every other year? For now with the Stone trade I will say Treliving has earned another opportunity to be GM but he has not proven much more than that. He inherited an excellent core.

Let's just look at a couple of his key/recent moves...

Trades:
Hamilton - #1/2 Defensemen who's only 23
Stone for peanuts
Lazar
Elliott
Glencross, Baertchsi, Russell, Hudler for picks

FA Signings:
Frolik
Brouwer (which you say is awful)
Johnson
Engelland
Versteeg

Re-signings:
Brodie
Giordano
Monahan
Bouma (meh)
etc


Yeah, he hasn't done much. Definitely still Feaster (or Tod Button??)'s team

Admittedly there have been some misses (Byron, Mason Raymond, Extending/Firing Hartley, last year's goaltending) but he has aggresively gone out to fix the most glaring issue with the team each year, added to our young core, and has this team trending upwards. The future looks bright from here.