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View Poll Results: Do you like the Lazar trade to Calgary?
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Love it
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Like it
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neutral
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29.48% |
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Don't like it
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03-01-2017, 03:01 PM
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#481
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by Flash Walken
What can we expect Lazar's salary expectations to be this year?
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Whatever his qualifying offer is?
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03-01-2017, 03:02 PM
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#482
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Franchise Player
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Helsinki, Finland
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I don't mind the idea of trading a pick for a young reclamation project.
20 pts in 76 games last season is not terrible.
Pretty hard to feel strongly about this trade though.
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03-01-2017, 03:03 PM
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#483
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by CliffFletcher
I'll remember that the next time fans get excited when the Flames trade a vet for a 2nd rounder - settle down, boys, and remember that the odds are the pick will amount to nothing.
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Trading a vet for a 2nd is better than losing him for nothing
Trading a 2nd for a 21 year old that has already surpassed the average 2nd rounder isn't much of a risk
the numbers don't lie...opinion is one thing
odds favor the Flames there is no debate
maybe the Sens hit a homerun, very unlikely
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03-01-2017, 03:03 PM
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#484
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Learning Phaneufs skating style
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flash Walken
What can we expect Lazar's salary expectations to be this year?
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His QO should be ~$875k. I don't think he will get more than $1.2 mil (Colborne's cap hit from 2014-2016)
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03-01-2017, 03:04 PM
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#485
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In the Sin Bin
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Originally Posted by VilleN
No, it isn't a steep price. Also, as has been mentioned, Lazar had Mono this year so I think it's pretty meaningless to judge based on this year. Based on the two previous season he is projecting to be a bottom 6 forward in the NHL. A 22 year old bottom 6 forward for a 2nd round pick- not a steep price.
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Alright, I didn't know he had mono. That's fair.
I disagree about the 2nd round pick though. Mystery Box traded for a Mystery Box we already know isn't going to be a high end player.
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03-01-2017, 03:05 PM
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#486
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: The Void between Darkness and Light
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm
Whatever his qualifying offer is?
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I just checked and his qualifying number is 874k
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03-01-2017, 03:07 PM
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#487
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Crash and Bang Winger
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Toronto
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheScorpion
Everyone who disagrees with you is a troll? WTF?
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Don't worry, you can't be banned.
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03-01-2017, 03:08 PM
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#488
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sureLoss
His QO should be ~$875k. I don't think he will get more than $1.2 mil (Colborne's cap hit from 2014-2016)
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Maybe he'll be a bigger, faster, stronger, smilier, more talented Colborne?
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03-01-2017, 03:08 PM
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#489
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by polak
Alright, I didn't know he had mono. That's fair.
I disagree about the 2nd round pick though. Mystery Box traded for a Mystery Box we already know isn't going to be a high end player.
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You continue to miss the fact there's such a low percentage that 2nd round pick turns into even what Lazar is now, never mind the fact Treliving is on the Fan960 right now talking about how much room they feel he has to grow.
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03-01-2017, 03:09 PM
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#490
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Scoring Winger
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dino7c
they will protect him and expose TB IMO
which is fine with me
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What about protecting Stone, if he can be signed to a good contract? I'd think that would be a higher priority for the Flames. Much harder to fill the nr 4 D spot than anything Lazar might bring.
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03-01-2017, 03:11 PM
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#491
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Haplo
What about protecting Stone, if he can be signed to a good contract? I'd think that would be a higher priority for the Flames. Much harder to fill the nr 4 D spot than anything Lazar might bring.
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If they sign and protect Stone then they can only protect 4 forwards, because they aren't exposing any of Gio, Brodie or Dougie Hamilton.
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03-01-2017, 03:11 PM
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#492
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Haplo
What about protecting Stone, if he can be signed to a good contract? I'd think that would be a higher priority for the Flames. Much harder to fill the nr 4 D spot than anything Lazar might bring.
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Either the Flames protect 7 forwards and 3 defensemen or 8 total skaters. The first option is the best for the Flames because of the number of forwards they'd like to protect. That means we'd have to pick 3 defensemen which is already a bit of a guarantee. It'll be interesting how the Knights respond to what Treliving does with Stone.
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03-01-2017, 03:12 PM
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#493
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In the Sin Bin
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GoJetsGo
You continue to miss the fact there's such a low percentage that 2nd round pick turns into even what Lazar is now, never mind the fact Treliving is on the Fan960 right now talking about how much room they feel he has to grow.
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You continue to ignore the fact that I'd rather a small shot at good player over a good shot at someone turning into a player like Chaisson
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03-01-2017, 03:12 PM
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#494
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First Line Centre
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I really liked Lazar in 2013. TBH I was shocked to see how poorly he has done this season. The mono explanation is actually quite a relief.
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03-01-2017, 03:12 PM
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#495
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Norm!
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IF we protect a 4th defenseman we can only protect 4 forwards so we'd protect Mony, Johnny, Backs and Bennett and probably lose a Bennett or Frolik
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03-01-2017, 03:13 PM
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#496
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Franchise Player
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Well Stone is a UFA so I guess if they sign him first
but losing a 2nd in a terrible draft to Vegas while protecting our entire team wouldn't be the worst thing to happen
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03-01-2017, 03:13 PM
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#497
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by polak
Alright, I didn't know he had mono. That's fair.
I disagree about the 2nd round pick though. Mystery Box traded for a Mystery Box we already know isn't going to be a high end player.
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While there can be an argument as to the value of a 2nd round pick, this comparison is inaccurate and misleading for a few reasons. Firstly, we don't know he won't amount to a high end player. A lot of high end players were late bloomers. It's unlikely, but hardly definitive one way or the other. Secondly, a 2nd round pick will likely not play nearly as many games or put up as many points in the NHL as Lazar has, this is just a statistical fact (as has been pointed out previously). So it's more like we traded: A mystery box that will likely be empty, but might not be for an opened mystery box that has been proven to be better than an empty mystery box.
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03-01-2017, 03:15 PM
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#498
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Franchise Player
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Jumbo Joe had 4 assists his first season...more than a decade later he had 92
I mean if you are gonna start pulling out the greatest 2nd round picks of all time I guess its comparable
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03-01-2017, 03:15 PM
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#499
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Lifetime Suspension
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Quote:
Originally Posted by polak
I think the chances he rebounds into anything are just as low.
I'd rather a small shot at good player over a good shot at Chaisson v2
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Yea, you've said that over and over and over.
Treliving is speaking at length right now as to the amount of time and resources they've spent scouting him and the attributes he has that they feel show he has room to grow into a very valuable character player.
I'll take their word over your endlessly pessimistic view any time, especially when your hyperbolic take is based on absolutely over-valuing a low percentage draft pick.
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03-01-2017, 03:16 PM
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#500
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Lifetime Suspension
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Haplo
What about protecting Stone, if he can be signed to a good contract? I'd think that would be a higher priority for the Flames. Much harder to fill the nr 4 D spot than anything Lazar might bring.
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Sign Stone after the expansion draft. He's a pending ufa, Flames should/will use that to their advantage.
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