[Trade] Sens trade Lazar and Kostka to the Flames for a 2nd + Jokipakka - Page 24 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

dino7c · 03-01-2017, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

Forgive me if this has been mentioned elsewhere in the thread. Is there a risk of him being plucked from the Flames in the expansion draft? That 2nd round pick would be an awfully high price to pay if that were the case...

They need to protect them...but would that be all that bad if losing a 2nd would be the hit Calgary takes from the expansion draft?

other teams will be losing worse

dammage79 · 03-01-2017, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

Forgive me if this has been mentioned elsewhere in the thread. Is there a risk of him being plucked from the Flames in the expansion draft? That 2nd round pick would be an awfully high price to pay if that were the case...

I suspect the Flames will protect Lazar.

Robbob · 03-01-2017, 02:45 PM

Sounds like they have a plan regarding Lazar for the expansion draft. Could mean protected or working out an agreement with LV. Treliving mentioned that they made the trade with that in mind.

dino7c · 03-01-2017, 02:46 PM

they will protect him and expose TB IMO

which is fine with me

Lanny'sDaMan · 03-01-2017, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbob

Sounds like they have a plan regarding Lazar for the expansion draft. Could mean protected or working out an agreement with LV. Treliving mentioned that they made the trade with that in mind.

Someone said in the trade deadline thread, something about Engelland going to LVGK. I can believe it too, as IIRC Engs is from around those part.

sirbert · 03-01-2017, 02:48 PM

Voted neutral. I'm cautiously optimistic that the organization was looking for a deal somewhere in the weeds. In recent memory the big acquisitions on deadline day are not players that change your franchise. Frankly, if I was Brad I would be speaking to my pro and amateur scouts for ideas on players that could be had at the deadline without breaking the bank or sacrificing the run. That's a tall order so I can understand if he misses on this one.

While I think this roster is the best that they have had in years and are looking to take a run, it would be foolish to think that this team will instantly have the horses in the playoffs by any of the deadline deals done in the last week. Our team will or will not make a splash in the playoffs because of the existing core.

I would be interested to hear from people who have actively watched him recently. Seems equivalent to a 2nd round pick.

ComixZone · 03-01-2017, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

they will protect him and expose TB IMO

which is fine with me

Yeah, if someone else earns the protected status, I don't think there's much risk in exposing Brouwer - one way, or the other.

polak · 03-01-2017, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Firebot

Ok polak

Which 2nd rounder from Lazar's draft year do you see as being a solid player?

Chris Bigras?
Jacob De La Rose?
Laurent Dauphin?
Steven Santini?
Nicolas Petan?
Nick Sorensen?
Gustav Olofsson?
Justin Bailey?
Artturi Lehkonen?
William Carrier?
Tyler Bertuzzi?
Zach Sanford?

Some big names up there...out of them the only guy who may make it out as solid is Fucale, and he's a goalie and still far from the NHL.

Monahan has over double the points than all 2nd rounders of 2013 combined...

In fact the whole 2nd round of 2013 has scored a grand total of 70 points so far.

You know who's ahead of all the 2nd rounders of 2013? Lazar

And 2013 was considered a strong draft, 2017 could be the worst in 20 years. Chances of a solid player coming out of the 2nd round this year are fairly slim, let alone Calgary drafting him. And the Flames likely being in a playoffs spot this year, it would be a mid-late 2nd rounder too.

What's this obsession with draft picks? We have guys like Poirier and Klimchuk who were first rounders and may never turn out, but want to play the lotto again for a guy that may pan out in 4-5 years? Our rebuild is mostly over now, draft picks are no longer as desirable as they were in prior years. Lazar is closer to being an effective player, even as a longshot than any 2017 2nd rounder.

Lot of those aren't being rushed into the NHL by a stupid management team when they're clearly not ready. By your logic, Jankowski is a total bust as he's only played 1 game and is older than Lazar. How would you feel if we sent him to Ottawa?

Lazar is already in bust territory. If he wasn't a Flame and I asked you if a prospect in his 3rd season had 1 point in 33 games was going to be a bust, I bet you'd say yes. Its unfortunate that Ottawa didn't have the patience to develop him right. Maybe the Flames can turn it around.

I'm far from a draft pick hoarder. Read my post history, I've been advocating for the Flames to trade picks for help all season. I just don't think Lazar is worth it. He is not an upgrade on anyone on the roster and he's regressing.

It's a steep price for a big gamble. Plain and simple.

GreenLantern · 03-01-2017, 02:48 PM

No argument that this kid could be great, I just wish the price was better. I feel like as far as this year goes there were better options for cheaper.

How does this trade look moving forward? No idea, it's a gamble.

GordonBlue · 03-01-2017, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by daveinspruce

This kid isn't only going to help save his career I strongly believe him and Bennet are going to have a great relationship.

not that there is anything wrong with that.

Robbob · 03-01-2017, 02:49 PM

Engelland is a UFA so LV could get him regardless of the expansion draft.

Wastedyouth · 03-01-2017, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Jay Random

Neither half of this statement is accurate.

2014-15: 67 GP, 6-9-15 (0.22 ppg)

Some great season.

2015-16: 76 GP, 6-14-20 (0.26 ppg)

Some cliff.

2016-17: Mononucleosis.

I'm prepared to give the kid a mulligan for this year. If we do that, he looks like he's well on track to being a useful third-liner.

(For the record, I voted ‘neutral’.)

I meant possession wise.

CliffFletcher · 03-01-2017, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

I am saying to argue and make the same ridiculous points over and over again is trolling

94% agree that its neutral or better

and the odds HEAVILY favor the Flames...have your opinion

to say the Flames could have gave up Subban is trolling

I'll remember that the next time fans get excited when the Flames trade a vet for a 2nd rounder - settle down, boys, and remember that the odds are the pick will amount to nothing.

Tinordi · 03-01-2017, 02:53 PM

This fits with Tree's philosophy to not burn picks on rentals and to trade for the future. Lazar has another full season with the flames at least.

Not mentioned in this thread is that Tree does the above while also adding one net-warm body for the playoffs. Make no mistake this move was also made for May in mind.

sureLoss · 03-01-2017, 02:54 PM

AHL transactions has Kostka listed as being assigned to Stockton

dino7c · 03-01-2017, 02:56 PM

Forget 2nd rounders, most Flames first rounders amount to nothing lets be honest here other than in years we finished at the bottom there isn't much there

IamNotKenKing · 03-01-2017, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by devo22

lots of people here think Poirier is a bust. Lazar is from the same draft class and hasn't done more than Poirier. Is it really that surprising that not everybody on here is jumping for joy that the Flames gave up a 2nd for Lazar? It's bad value.

I would suggest Lazar has done more than Poirier:

Poirier: 8 NHL games 1 assist.
Lazar: 176 NHL games 12 goals - 24 assists - 36 points.

Lazar hasn't been earth-shattering, but he's certainly done more.

VilleN · 03-01-2017, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by polak

Lot of those aren't being rushed into the NHL by a stupid management team when they're clearly not ready. By your logic, Jankowski is a total bust as he's only played 1 game and is older than Lazar. How would you feel if we sent him to Ottawa?

Lazar is already in bust territory. If he wasn't a Flame and I asked you if a prospect in his 3rd season had 1 point in 33 games was going to be a bust, I bet you'd say yes. Its unfortunate that Ottawa didn't have the patience to develop him right. Maybe the Flames can turn it around.

I'm far from a draft pick hoarder. Read my post history, I've been advocating for the Flames to trade picks for help all season. I just don't think Lazar is worth it. He is not an upgrade on anyone on the roster and he's regressing.

It's a steep price for a big gamble. Plain and simple.

No, it isn't a steep price. Also, as has been mentioned, Lazar had Mono this year so I think it's pretty meaningless to judge based on this year. Based on the two previous season he is projecting to be a bottom 6 forward in the NHL. A 22 year old bottom 6 forward for a 2nd round pick- not a steep price.

Flash Walken · 03-01-2017, 02:59 PM

What can we expect Lazar's salary expectations to be this year?

GoJetsGo · 03-01-2017, 03:01 PM

Treliving just said (paraphrasing) on the Fan960:

We looked at the range of players likely available in the area of the 2nd round we'd be picking in this upcoming draft, and then looked at Curits, his being a few years older and the potential we see and we made the call. It's a gamble we felt good about.