Doesn't the third bolded sentence nullify the first two? If the young players on this team have no special affinity for Iginla, then I would expect that they also don't suffer from any extraordinary pressure resulting from strong emotions sparked by his return.
It is not a bad point, but I remain unconvinced.
I think Iginla could be had for minimal cost, I think he can help this team, and I believe his return tomorrow would provide a fantastic narrative with no severe repercussions.
No, the third does not nullify the first two. There is still going to be pressure to get Iginla his cup, regardless of who has played with him. That is more of a distraction than it is a motivator IMO. Instead of talking about the game the players are going to be getting fed nothing but questions about Iginla this, and Iginla that. As a player I want the discussion to be on the job my team is doing, not how we are or aren't carrying some come-lately player to a glory he couldn't find during his career. At a time you want all your players pulling in the same direction and playing for each other, I think it would not be positive to introduce that particular dynamic to the dressing room. Because there are so few players left that played with Iginla he is going to be viewed as an outsider and not a guy the players will automatically play for. I wouldn't welcome that disruption to my team. Not when I had worked all year to get everyone playing for each other.
I am not sure that has ever been true. They were dominant because they had a dominant team. Even if it were true, I don't see Iggy making any difference to the fan base, other than the initial ovation (which would be awesome), and when he scores (which may be rare).
Sure it's true. It's not just true for the Flames - a loud arena is shown to bring adrenaline to the home team that gives them a home ice/field/court advantage. Not to mention a source of intimidation for the opposition.
Agree to disagree on the lift you'd see from the local fan base as a result of re-acquiring Iggy. He doesn't need to be a star for people to care about it.
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Sure it's true. It's not just true for the Flames - a loud arena is shown to bring adrenaline to the home team that gives them a home ice/field/court advantage. Not to mention a source of intimidation for the opposition.
Agree to disagree on the lift you'd see from the local fan base as a result of re-acquiring Iggy. He doesn't need to be a star for people to care about it.
To add to that, think about each and every point iginla would score. Think about the raucous crowd. We would be just as loud as the magical 04 run, if not even more so. As I've said before, this is Hollywood script material right here!
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He is an icon here but more importantly I feel he would bring an emotional boost to the team, and city if he returned that could produce enough adrenaline to upset some teams this spring
If I'm being totally honest, personally this is exactly why I would make this trade. Not expecting him to play top line, but that boost would be huge.
But when I park my fandom, and think about it from strictly bodies on the ice, and what is available, I still think he's a good fit.
you guys still need Iggy to be there in order to cheer loud? when I watch Johnny (or Sammy or Mony or the 3M line or hell Bartkowski for all I care) dance through a bunch of defenders to score the winning goal in a playoff game, I will cheer so loud that my skull shatters from the shockwave. Flames victories will make me and this whole city get up off their asses, no nostalgia required.
you guys still need Iggy to be there in order to cheer loud? when I watch Johnny (or Sammy or Mony or the 3M line or hell Bartkowski for all I care) dance through a bunch of defenders to score the winning goal in a playoff game, I will cheer so loud that my skull shatters from the shockwave. Flames victories will make me and this whole city get up off their asses, no nostalgia required.
Of course it would, this goes without saying. But to say that acquiring Iggy would not pump up the fan base just that extra little bit is simply untrue.
I don't want the young guys to have to deal with the media s-show that is going to be involved with an Iginla return.
All the stories about "Winning one for Iginla", and all that B.S. will put a lot of unneeded pressure on the team down the stretch.
Positives on the ice won't make up for the distractions off the ice IMO.
What about the angle of all the attention being paid to Iginla allowing some of the younger key players on the team to lay low a little more as the media pines to speak with Iggy. A lot of soft questions about "winning for Iggy" not a ton of pressure but a good media distraction if you ask me
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...There is still going to be pressure to get Iginla his cup...
Let's be serious, Calgary is not a SC contender yet, as much as it hurts me to say it. Unless by sheer luck we get to play Edmonton in the first round, there is very little chance Calgary can get past SJ or Anaheim in the first. So, what's the harm in having Iginla? Lots of good entertainment and excitement and no real downside. It goes without saying, Iginla should not fetch a high price at this stage. I also think Sakic will be understanding/cooperative in facilitating the trade on easy to digest conditions for the buyer.
Having said all of the above, I really don't believe Iginla would want to be traded to Calgary, even if there are no real SC contenders knocking on Sakic's door.
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I don't want the young guys to have to deal with the media s-show that is going to be involved with an Iginla return.
All the stories about "Winning one for Iginla", and all that B.S. will put a lot of unneeded pressure on the team down the stretch.
Positives on the ice won't make up for the distractions off the ice IMO.
It'll be 'win one for Jarome' for literally a day. The local media are going to ask the question once, and they'll maybe ask it again at the start of each new round. At which point, they'll move on.
I don't think anyone's going to be harassing Dougie Hamilton at the Mission Safeway to 'win it for Iggy', but Elboya always surprises me.
Let's just go full Oiler and bring back all the old boys club.
If Flames were a legit contender, I'd be all for it to bring Iggy home and winning him a cup. Unfortunately we are not cup contenders and to bring back Iggy to help us, I just don't see him being that player that will push us over to victory.
He's older and slower regardless of his grit and passion. A lot of people hate Chiasson, but he essentially offers the same except he's younger and faster and I wouldn't be upset if he gets moved at the deadline.
Let's just go full Oiler and bring back all the old boys club.
If Flames were a legit contender, I'd be all for it to bring Iggy home and winning him a cup. Unfortunately we are not cup contenders and to bring back Iggy to help us, I just don't see him being that player that will push us over to victory.
He's older and slower regardless of his grit and passion. A lot of people hate Chiasson, but he essentially offers the same except he's younger and faster and I wouldn't be upset if he gets moved at the deadline.
If the Flames were a legit contender, I'd hope our GM would do a little more than bring in an Iggy level addition.
The Flames need an extra guy who can play some limited minutes in the bottom six, some spot first line duty/extra attacker time as well as PP time.
Iginla is not going to cost much to acquire, and his GM is probably going to be fired in six weeks anyway. It's a good story and it does sort of fill a need on our roster. Chiasson is a fine 4th line forward. He can't and shouldn't be anywhere near our first line, nor the PP.
Speed is important, but it's not everything. The puck's faster than everyone, and Iggy's still got his hands and his brain.
Sure it's true. It's not just true for the Flames - a loud arena is shown to bring adrenaline to the home team that gives them a home ice/field/court advantage. Not to mention a source of intimidation for the opposition...
It has been "shown" that crowd noise is the controlling element in home-ice success? I don't know about that, and I rather suspect that there are all sorts of other contributing factors as to why most NHL teams are more successful at home than they are on the road.
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Let's just go full Oiler and bring back all the old boys club.
If Flames were a legit contender, I'd be all for it to bring Iggy home and winning him a cup. Unfortunately we are not cup contenders and to bring back Iggy to help us, I just don't see him being that player that will push us over to victory.
He's older and slower regardless of his grit and passion. A lot of people hate Chiasson, but he essentially offers the same except he's younger and faster and I wouldn't be upset if he gets moved at the deadline.
Were the LA Kings a contender when they snuck in to the 8th seed and won in 2012? With the recent play of our team, it's not out of the realm of possibility to think that we could be cup contenders, especially with our recent additions at defense. Couple that with some added motivation and all of a sudden we're a crazy dangerous team.
Thing is, you guys who say no very well may be right. We may not be contenders. Adding Iggy is useless, too much distraction, and the player is a shell of his former self. But what if not? What if you're wrong? This team will still continue to grow without Iginla beyond this year. The risk is honestly so minimal. What if this year we add this excitement for the cost of say, Wideman. Think about when Fleury played that preseason with us... dare to dream!
No, the third does not nullify the first two. There is still going to be pressure to get Iginla his cup, regardless of who has played with him. That is more of a distraction than it is a motivator IMO. Instead of talking about the game the players are going to be getting fed nothing but questions about Iginla this, and Iginla that. As a player I want the discussion to be on the job my team is doing, not how we are or aren't carrying some come-lately player to a glory he couldn't find during his career. At a time you want all your players pulling in the same direction and playing for each other, I think it would not be positive to introduce that particular dynamic to the dressing room. Because there are so few players left that played with Iginla he is going to be viewed as an outsider and not a guy the players will automatically play for. I wouldn't welcome that disruption to my team. Not when I had worked all year to get everyone playing for each other.
Yeah, I still don't buy it. It seems to me that you are just grasping at whatever point you can concoct to validate your opinion that trading for Iginla would be a distraction. If the bolded part were true, then it would hold for virtually every NHL team, no? And as such, I would think that every NHL player ever acquired at the deadline would prove to be a detriment and not a positive contributor to a team's playoff success.
I suppose Iginla could turn out to be a distraction, but I don't think that is terribly catastrophic, since he will simply be let go at the end of the season and the Flames will move on. But if there is a chance that he becomes a rallying point for this team that produces even added excitement for the fans, then I am all for it.
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