As for Golf again quit lying, if trump plays a round of golf a week, who cares, the reason it became news was the lie.
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“Can you believe that, with all of the problems and difficulties facing the U.S., President Obama spent the day playing golf.” Mr. Trump tweeted on Oct. 13, 2014. “Worse than Carter.”
“We pay for Obama’s travel so he can fundraise millions so Democrats can run on lies,” he said a day later. “Then we pay for his golf.”
Then for a third time that month, Mr. Trump tweeted about Mr. Obama’s golf habit on Oct. 23, 2014.
“President Obama has a major meeting on the N.Y.C. Ebola outbreak, with people flying in from all over the country, but decided to play golf!”
The thing I've found interesting is for the most part the anti-Trump folks are the ones that use wordsome like dumb, hate, etc. It doesn't exactly add credibility to any sort of argument.
“Can you believe that, with all of the problems and difficulties facing the U.S., President Obama spent the day playing golf.” Mr. Trump tweeted on Oct. 13, 2014. “Worse than Carter.”
“We pay for Obama’s travel so he can fundraise millions so Democrats can run on lies,” he said a day later. “Then we pay for his golf.”
Then for a third time that month, Mr. Trump tweeted about Mr. Obama’s golf habit on Oct. 23, 2014.
“President Obama has a major meeting on the N.Y.C. Ebola outbreak, with people flying in from all over the country, but decided to play golf!”
I am aware of that hypocracy but I think that is run of the mill political hypocrcacy that shouldn't be covered and distracts from bigger stories. It's done to make Trump look foolish.
I am aware of that hypocracy but I think that is run of the mill political hypocrcacy that shouldn't be covered and distracts from bigger stories. It's done to make Trump look foolish.
Whereas this is fair and balanced "news"
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There isn't much of an argument left that needs to be made. The man's own statements have made the argument themselves. He's a serial liar, a self-important bully, beholden to Russia and China financially, perfectly willing to skirt ethics rules to use the office of the President to enrich himself and his family and increase his brand status, and repeatedly declares himself to be a threat to fundamental American institutions, notably the independent judiciary and free press.
Those things are simply true regardless of how CNN or others report on them. There's really no spin required, Trump provides all the spin that's necessary himself.
It's true that he is a self-important bully? Sounds like an opinion to me.
I will be honest, I have been trying to learn more facts about what Trump is up to...but statements like yours are for the most part all that I've been reading, whether on CNN, CBC or elsewhere.
No fact, just opinion.
And hey, they could all be true, they may not be. But it's not been easy finding out what the truth is.
But that doesn't change the fact the media is doing a poor job today at choosing what stories to cover.
What happened to Russian influence, they got Flynn to fall on his sword, it's time to keep digging and pressing the administration and congress to investigate what was known, by who and when.
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Just listen to him and watch his press conferences. That's all you need to do to verify every single word I just wrote.
Sure, there's plenty more information available about what he's up to - there was some good reporting done leading up to court decision on the travel ban as to what the courts were doing and how enforcement was proceeding (or in some cases not proceeding). There's been good reporting on the confirmation processes for his various appointees. If you look for it, you'll find some good journalism about what the Trump kids have been up to in terms of expanding the family's business interests - they just went to Dubai in support of a new Trump golf course. There's been plenty of reporting about links between Flynn and Russia, as there was between Manafort and Russia previously. It's not hard to find.
But even if you don't want to put in the minimal effort to find out about all of that, to get the overriding theme of this administration, you really don't have to. All you need is to watch his press conferences, listen to the white house press secretary, and read his twitter. It's all right there. And it's all just as horribly depressing as the allegedly biased news outlets you're complaining about might make it seem.
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Just listen to him and watch his press conferences. That's all you need to do to verify every single word I just wrote.
Sure, there's plenty more information available about what he's up to - there was some good reporting done leading up to court decision on the travel ban as to what the courts were doing and how enforcement was proceeding (or in some cases not proceeding). There's been good reporting on the confirmation processes for his various appointees. If you look for it, you'll find some good journalism about what the Trump kids have been up to in terms of expanding the family's business interests - they just went to Dubai in support of a new Trump golf course. There's been plenty of reporting about links between Flynn and Russia, as there was between Manafort and Russia previously. It's not hard to find.
But even if you don't want to put in the minimal effort to find out about all of that, to get the overriding theme of this administration, you really don't have to. All you need is to watch his press conferences, listen to the white house press secretary, and read his twitter. It's all right there.
What's wrong with the Trump kids trying to expand their business?
I read about the travel ban parts and the court proceedings...still unsure where I sit with whether I agree with it or not.
Flynn and Russia I still don't really understand the issue.
His Twitter is fairly sensationalized like most media, and it definitely fits his over the top nature. I don't really like it but whatever, that seems to be media nowadays.
His press conference last Thursday I watched the first 25min and I was actually surprised that he was coherent and made some good points. Reading most of the articles on CBC, I took Trump to be an illiterate bone head...turns out he actually can actually make some points.
What's wrong with the Trump kids trying to expand their business?
I read about the travel ban parts and the court proceedings...still unsure where I sit with whether I agree with it or not.
Flynn and Russia I still don't really understand the issue.
His Twitter is fairly sensationalized like most media, and it definitely fits his over the top nature. I don't really like it but whatever, that seems to be media nowadays.
His press conference last Thursday I watched the first 25min and I was actually surprised that he was coherent and made some good points. Reading most of the articles on CBC, I took Trump to be an illiterate bone head...turns out he actually can actually make some points.
The emoluments clause.
Trump the president owns businesses run by his children. His companies receive payments from foreign governments. This is in violation of the emoluments clause in the constitution
Flynn and Russia - Obama was president, Flynn says to Russia don't worry we'll get rid of those sanctions for you when your in power when he has no authority to do so.
What points did trump make that you found compelling.
Travel ban banned landed immigrants with green cards from entering the country. It banned people who served as translators in the Iraq war who saved soldiers lives. Zero terrorists have enetered through the refugee program. What part of the ban do you possibly support?
What's wrong with the Trump kids trying to expand their business?
What are the odds that that particular venture is in better standing now that Trump is in the White House? Basically 100%. The issue is that he hasn't actually distanced himself from his businesses - he's offered no proof that he has even done the things he suggested he would, and those things themselves are woefully inadequate according to ethics experts even if he had done them. So, yeah, there's a lot wrong in the circumstances. For that, you just needed to watch a press conference where he stood behind a stack of paper and refused to let anyone look at any of it.
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I read about the travel ban parts and the court proceedings...still unsure where I sit with whether I agree with it or not.
Did you read about agencies refusing to comply with the early court rulings? How about Trump calling the ruling judge a "so-called" judge while accusing him of undermining national security? This was all on twitter.
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Flynn and Russia I still don't really understand the issue.
This demonstrates that you're not even paying attention, in that case. The previous President had imposed sanctions on Russia. Prior to taking office, the National Security Advisor for the soon-to-be president contacted Russian officials and told them - it appears, and there is an investigation to confirm the details - that they needn't worry about the sanctions because the next president would deal with them. That's undermining the sitting president. That is effectively treasonous behaviour. There's one president at a time for a reason. Yet Trump said in a press conference that he saw nothing wrong with this and would have instructed Flynn to do it anyway.
There remains, also, the open question as to what the people in his campaign who were talking to Russian political operatives were telling them at the same time that Russia was leaking DNC e-mails during the Democratic Convention.
And you "don't understand the issue"? Seriously, what about that seems okay?
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His Twitter is fairly sensationalized like most media, and it definitely fits his over the top nature. I don't really like it but whatever, that seems to be media nowadays.
Donald Trump is not a media personage. He's not a talking head. He's the President of the United States. He's the most powerful person on Earth (I wince just typing that). His words have massive repercussions. When he calls the news media the "enemy of the american people", it's nakedly authoritarian language. When it comes from the head of the state, it's not just "over the top, but what can you do", it's horrifying. It isn't remotely justifiable. Having someone who says things like that - and as noted that's but one example, it's not an isolated one - it's more than just a national embarrassment. It violates everything a democratic country should be about.
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His press conference last Thursday I watched the first 25min and I was actually surprised that he was coherent and made some good points. Reading most of the articles on CBC, I took Trump to be an illiterate bone head...turns out he actually can actually make some points.
If you watched that and thought he made sense, I'm not sure what to tell you. Your standards for rational discourse are way, way too low.
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His press conference last Thursday I watched the first 25min and I was actually surprised that he was coherent and made some good points. Reading most of the articles on CBC, I took Trump to be an illiterate bone head...turns out he actually can actually make some points.
That's certainly not the impression I got from his press conference. The most noticeable thing to me is all the time he spent claiming (incorrectly) that he got the most electoral college votes since Reagan. Which means either:
A) He's lying. And if he's lying about something which can be so easily checked and doesn't matter at all, how can anyone trust him on anything important?
B) He doesn't really know how many votes past candidates got. And it really doesn't matter - he got enough to be President, time to move on. So what does that say about his judgement that he wastes his press conference to comment on it, three months after the election?
But that doesn't change the fact the media is doing a poor job today at choosing what stories to cover.
What happened to Russian influence, they got Flynn to fall on his sword, it's time to keep digging and pressing the administration and congress to investigate what was known, by who and when.
You know, the media can multitask, they even have sports and entertainment sections. They run about 100 stories a day, eh.
I feel they're right to keep publishing Trumps lies, hypocrises and straight up insanity every single day. It's what he wants.
It's true that he is a self-important bully? Sounds like an opinion to me.
I will be honest, I have been trying to learn more facts about what Trump is up to...but statements like yours are for the most part all that I've been reading, whether on CNN, CBC or elsewhere.
No fact, just opinion.
And hey, they could all be true, they may not be. But it's not been easy finding out what the truth is.
Sounds like you're trying to deny reality as best you can.
If Russia had interfered with Canadian elections would Canadians just shrug and go on with their day? Well maybe, that would be typically Canadian... but it's still kind of shocking that people in the US seem to have just.. moved on.
A week before Michael T. Flynn resigned as national security adviser, a sealed proposal was hand-delivered to his office, outlining a way for President Trump to lift sanctions against Russia.
Mr. Flynn is gone, having been caught lying about his own discussion of sanctions with the Russian ambassador. But the proposal, a peace plan for Ukraine and Russia, remains, along with those pushing it: Michael D. Cohen, the president’s personal lawyer, who delivered the document; Felix H. Sater, a business associate who helped Mr. Trump scout deals in Russia; and a Ukrainian lawmaker trying to rise in a political opposition movement shaped in part by Mr. Trump’s former campaign manager Paul Manafort.
At a time when Mr. Trump’s ties to Russia, and the people connected to him, are under heightened scrutiny — with investigations by American intelligence agencies, the F.B.I. and Congress — some of his associates remain willing and eager to wade into Russia-related efforts behind the scenes.
His press conference last Thursday I watched the first 25min and I was actually surprised that he was coherent and made some good points. Reading most of the articles on CBC, I took Trump to be an illiterate bone head...turns out he actually can actually make some points.
Coherent and made sense? Lol.
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You know, the media can multitask, they even have sports and entertainment sections. They run about 100 stories a day, eh.
I feel they're right to keep publishing Trumps lies, hypocrises and straight up insanity every single day. It's what he wants.
That's the problem.
It's what Trump wants. He would much prefer arguing over golf, and crowd sizes and attacking the integrity of the media then dealing with Russia or Emoluments or other issues which are much more serious.
If you want to keep tabs on what Trump is actually doing, particularly as it relates to his campaign promises. Here are some resources:
TrumpTracker No commentary, searchable github page. Really well done, no editorializing at all. Will continue to be updated.
Trump Tracker from BBC News BBC news story comparing Trump to previous Presidents through the first month of his Presidency. Fairly well done, not a lot of editorializing.
The Trump Promise Tracker from The Atlantic, will continue to be updated, breaks Trump's promises down into categories, for each states what the promise was and presents the current outlook for completion. The 'outlook' for each promise contains some editorializing.
Tracking Trump's Core Promises NBC News, continually updated. Tracking Trump's work towards completing "the 10 boldest goals of his Presidency." Identifies 10 big goals, quotes the President stating these goals, and then links to NBC news stories tracking progress towards those. For example, under the goal "Eradicate “radical Islamic terrorism,” defend against cyber attacks" there are links to stories about the Yemen raid, putting Iran 'on notice,' and the travel ban. Depends how much you trust NBC News to present the facts in their own stories.
Trump's Promises CNN. Identifies 26 fairly specific goals, such as "Block Syrian Refugees," "Bring Back Torture," and "Bring Back Jobs From Overseas." Includes a little red bar underneath each goal, presumably indicating progress towards the goal? Links to a video clip which includes Trump making the promise and then CNN reports about his progress towards the goal, as well as a snake, not unlike the Flames playoff snake. Again, depends on how much you trust CNN, but there is not a lot of editorializing.
Trump-O-Meter: Tracking Trump's Campaign Promises Politifact. A browsable, though not really that user-friendly, database of 102 Trump promises with information about progress towards realizing those. There is no editorializing in the section where they describe if the promise is completed or not, but there are little "Trump-O-Meter" graphics which could be considered editorializing if you wanted to.
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This demonstrates that you're not even paying attention, in that case. The previous President had imposed sanctions on Russia. Prior to taking office, the National Security Advisor for the soon-to-be president contacted Russian officials and told them - it appears, and there is an investigation to confirm the details - that they needn't worry about the sanctions because the next president would deal with them. That's undermining the sitting president. That is effectively treasonous behaviour. There's one president at a time for a reason. Yet Trump said in a press conference that he saw nothing wrong with this and would have instructed Flynn to do it anyway.
This doesn't even mention that Flynn lied to Pence, lied to the justice department, lied to the FBI (a felony).
The biggest issue is that he lied, which then casts doubt about other connections between Trump, his team and Russia. They're continually denying that they're linked to Russia, but evidence is building that they're liars.
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