The overall national polls were bang on as counting is completed.
The state polls in a few swing states were wrong. The media took the upshot 20% chance of Trump victory and 538s 33% chance of trump victory and treated them like sure things when instead we flipped a coin twice and it came up heads twice.
It wasn't quote "an ass kicking". It was poor media and people understanding of what a 20% chance is and some crappy modlers failure to recognize that polling misses are likely to be coorellated in one direction.
His impeachment will occur the day that house republicans feel more threatened by primaries from the centre than from the right.
They won't though...impeaching Trump would cost them more votes than it would gain them. Sure democrats would ####ing love it, but they aren't voting republican anyway. Trump supporters are ####ing insane they would riot in the streets.
And for the last time Republican majority at every level is an ASS KICKING
democrats making excuses is why we are in this mess
I dislike this guy getting any air time on a larger platform. He, like Trump, sees how to manipulate the media through performance to turn them into a vehicle for his own self promotion. That's what he's about and Maher just helped him out by booking him.
A person like this is a symptom, not a cause. You don't fix the cause by turning off the symptom's microphone.
Trump has convinced his supporters that the media and even the government is rigged against him...Its genius really. Nothing can hurt him because he has people convinced anything negative is FAKE and it just strengthens their resolve.
From the local PD, estimated crowd size was 9,000. In September at the exact same location, his crowd size was 15,000. That's what I would call SAD!
At one point he did say that the media would never show how large the crowd was, because MEDIA.
Then, at about the same time the camera was panning over the crowd, he said "the crowd goes all the way back to the fence!" and of course you could see the fence, and there wasn't anyone within 200 meters of it.
I don't know if that was a big crowd for this kind of weird rally, but he was flat-out lying to the people in the building who only had to turn around to know it was bull$hit. I doubt many did, because they are smart, but it was funny.
The Sad thing is the people who thought he had NO chance now saying he won't even last four years. I have just come to terms with reality. "he barely won those states" yeah all of them lol
Not to mention the republicans ran the table everywhere else
Next election there will be liberal 3rd party candidates taking liberal votes away from someone who actually might win just like this election. I'm telling you guys IF the economy is half decent in 4 years he is gonna win again.
Republicans also have 32 state legislatures and 33 governors
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Writing for Cincinnati.com, Mark P Painter, a former Ohio Court of Appeals Judge, has offered to help his congressman Representative Steve Chabot draft the articles for impeachment.
"In any time except our post-factual era, no office holder, much less the president, could get away with any one of the dozens of dazzlingly illegal things Trump has already done. They would forfeit office immediately," Mr Painter wrote. He added: "Who knows what happens next. Each new day is a new nightmare. We are still trying to digest one breathtaking assault on America when another is signed, issued, or Tweeted. All this amid constant lies. Constant. Lies."
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In his column, he goes on to write: "After the election, many hoped that Trump would 'grow up' into the job — that he couldn’t possibly be as bad as some thought.
"Well, it’s gone the other way. The bully has become a more entitled bully. Anyone disagreeing is attacked. Policy is announced in illiterate tweets. Basic American values — free speech, the rule of law, separation of powers, even common decency — are unknown in this White House. We now have a president who has no concept of separation of powers, or why we have three branches of government."
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You know it's bad when even Fox News is tired of Trump's bulls**t.
The rest of the fox clowns have done nothing but praise him for that debacle...look at their website, right side...their most popular hosts are all on the Trump train
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A person like this is a symptom, not a cause. You don't fix the cause by turning off the symptom's microphone.
The guy is an opportunist, profiting off the conflict and tension by further stirring the pot in order draw attention. The guy is not a reasonable advocate for a point of view. He is a dramatic performer aiming to create controversy for personal gain.
I'm not advocating removing his right to express his views, but Maher has a say in who he books and who he provides that platform to. Having him on just leads to him having a bigger name and profile. Interactions with that guy are as much quality political discussion as the WWE is quality wrestling. Having him on is all about the ratings, to the detriment of sincere communication.
Real communication can be entertaining and humorous too, without going down that road.
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A person like this is a symptom, not a cause. You don't fix the cause by turning off the symptom's microphone.
I think people get Free Speech mixed up with social control of speech.
The government should NOT be limiting his right to express his opinions no matter how trollish. He's spewing garbage, but should not be prohibited.
That doesn't mean thought leaders/media should give him agency to spread their hate.
Inviting Kelly-Anne Conway to a news show is not useful for example. She's just going to lie. She has the right to do it, but the news organizations do not have a duty to oblige her
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The guy is an opportunist, profiting off the conflict and tension by further stirring the pot in order draw attention. The guy is not a reasonable advocate for a point of view. He is a dramatic performer aiming to create controversy for personal gain.
I'm not advocating removing his right to express his views, but Maher has a say in who he books and who he provides that platform to. Having him on just leads to him having a bigger name and profile. Interactions with that guy are as much quality political discussion as the WWE is quality wrestling. Having him on is all about the ratings, to the detriment of sincere communication.
Real communication can be entertaining and humorous too, without going down that road.
Fair enough, but I don't know if he could have come out of that looking worse than he did.
A black comedian made him look stupid and told him to go #### himself more than once and everyone laughed and he had no response other than "you are dumb", which was also laughed at. The other black guy on the panel was comically dismissive of him and, as the kids say, "disrespected" him for the entire time.
And the liberal atheist host told him to shut his ####ing mouth a few times.
I agree that Maher shouldn't give these people a soapbox, but this time at least, they did kick the soapbox out from underneath him, and everyone laughed.
Also, Bill Maher is annoying as hell. But I did enjoy this.
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Fair enough, but I don't know if he could have come out of that looking worse than he did.
A black comedian made him look stupid and told him to go #### himself more than once and everyone laughed and he had no response other than "you are dumb", which was also laughed at. The other black guy on the panel was comically dismissive of him and, as the kids say, "disrespected" him for the entire time.
And the liberal atheist host told him to shut his ####ing mouth a few times.
I agree that Maher shouldn't give these people a soapbox, but this time at least, they did kick the soapbox out from underneath him, and everyone laughed.
Also, Bill Maher is annoying as hell. But I did enjoy this.
That is the guy's ambition. He's not out to look good. I'm sure he was delighted when people protested him at Berkeley as well. It furthers his goal of getting attention, and the people who are his fans will not be taking Larry Wilmore's critiques seriously anyways. Bill Maher helped that guy succeed merely by giving him the platform to play the villain.
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That is the guy's ambition. He's not out to look good. I'm sure he was delighted when people protested him at Berkeley as well. It furthers his goal of getting attention, and the people who are his fans will not be taking Larry Wilmore's critiques seriously anyways. Bill Maher helped that guy succeed merely by giving him the platform to play the villain.
Oh no doubt that the Berkeley thing was a huge success for him, and his goal is to get all the attention he can.
I don't know, maybe I'm giving his audience too much credit, but I'd like to think that at least some of the morons who follow him watched this segment on Maher and said "well now wait a minute, this fella with his frosted tips and pearl necklace just let a coupla negroes tell him to go #### himself! Just who exactly am I retweetin' every day? This ain't white power!".
Either way, getting pummelled on a talk show by a liberal and some black guys isn't a win or sustainable career arc for a white supremacist, I wouldn't think. Even if it is only attention he's after.
That is the guy's ambition. He's not out to look good. I'm sure he was delighted when people protested him at Berkeley as well. It furthers his goal of getting attention, and the people who are his fans will not be taking Larry Wilmore's critiques seriously anyways. Bill Maher helped that guy succeed merely by giving him the platform to play the villain.
I don't get why this troll is newsworthy at all? Any other internet bully would be ostracized and ignored. Why isn't this happening?
I don't get why this troll is newsworthy at all? Any other internet bully would be ostracized and ignored. Why isn't this happening?
He's gay. That's pretty much it. He's not that clever or especially funny or really in any way very interesting. The stuff he says is pretty run of the mill right wing troll crap. But he's gay, so that makes him special.
The case of Milo Yannopoulos is a great example of how identity politics can work in incredibly stupid ways. Liberals are sometimes an easily confused bunch.
(Not that I think all identity politics are stupid. But the case of Milo is pretty stupid.)
That said, while I don't really support Bill Maher putting him on, I'm not sure it matters much either. Milo has already become an international celebrity, at this point extra attention doesn't really matter much.
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He's gay. That's pretty much it. He's not that clever or especially funny or really in any way very interesting. The stuff he says is pretty run of the mill right wing troll crap. But he's gay, so that makes him special.
The case of Milo Yannopoulos is a great example of how identity politics can work in incredibly stupid ways. Liberals are sometimes an easily confused bunch.
(Not that I think all identity politics are stupid. But the case of Milo is pretty stupid.)
That said, while I don't really support Bill Maher putting him on, I'm not sure it matters much either. Milo has already become an international celebrity, at this point extra attention doesn't really matter much.
No you see, Milo is the ultimate form of pandering identity politics. Not only is he gay, he's a Gay Jew born of Immigrants who prefers Black Guys.
Thus, anytime Milo is attacked for being a garbage person with terrible opinions, rightists can scream about leftists being intolerant, which they see as the ultimate table-turning, and an infallible mic-drop as the conversation spins away from why Milo is a brown stain on society's underpants, and into IP-land, the sucking black hole that it is.
The difference of course being, that leftists (arguably) give a #### about minority representation, racial equality, sexual freedom, and the gender rainbow, while rightists wryly pay these topics lip-service in an attempt to derail the conversation. It's just another tool in the right's toolbox to frame leftists as the "truly intolerant ones!!11!" and "the real IRONIC fascists!!". It's the ultimate form of Concern Trolling, where feigning human decency allows the Milo-defenders to gain moral high-ground based on ideals they don't hold.
Note that I'm only using "leftist" and "rightist" in the most general sense, because putting tags on characterizations does nothing but assign ideas to amorphous groups. Their purpose is really just to help frame the dialogue as it is occurring.
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