American Politics Thread: Orange is the new POTUS (Archive)

[troutman]

Originally Posted by dino7c

seriously though...I don't think he has lost anyone that was stupid enough to vote for him in the first place. To me his supporters seem more hardcore than ever. People that hate him now hated him then. These people watch fox news...and according to them he is doing great, he really put the media in their place yesterday

Are we giving him too much credit? Wouldn't Cruz and Rubio have done about the same as Trump? Most everyone that voted Trump would have voted for any other Republican candidate over Hillary?

[Barnes]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

It's worth pointing out that there's no actual reason to think that border agents are allowed to force you to give them your phone or computer password, really. It hasn't made it to court yet. They think they have this ability, but it's not at all clear that they actually do, legally.

But they do have the power to send you back home on the next available flight and make it difficult to gain entry again. Entering another country is not a right.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

And speaking of getting under 30%, he might do it by April. From Gallup.

In two days he has gone from minus 13 to minus 18.

[calculoso]

Daniel Dale @ddale8: The president of the United States said 23 false things this week. #TrumpCheck https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2...k-updates.html

Daniel Dale @ddale8: Donald Trump said 17 false things at the press conference at which he attacked the media as dishonest. #TrumpCheck https://www.thestar.com/content/thes...dishonest.html

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by dino7c

there are plenty of people that didn't vote for him that would be looking at their 401k and saying #### the world I am gonna cash in on Trump

Former treasury secratary Larry Summers doesnt really agree:

Second, as then Treasury secretary Bob Rubin constantly reminded his colleagues in the Clinton administration, “markets go up, markets go down” and it is a mistake to judge policy on immediate market reactions rather than concentrating on fundamentals. The observation that the best post-election pre-inauguration performance of the stock market in the last 100 years occurred during Herbert Hoover’s transition underscores this point as does the market’s poor performance during the Roosevelt and Obama transitions.

Third, there are indicators in markets of possible trouble ahead. While financial stocks have been very strong over the last several months, insider sales have soared.

Despite what most observers see as highly uncertain environment, market expectations of near term volatility are near record lows suggesting scope for sudden disillusionment. Rapid inflows into mutual funds could easily go into reverse.

Fourth, the fundamental basis for a big market rally is very unclear. If “pro-business policies” were, key over time it would not be the case that Democratic administrations have consistently seen stronger markets than Republican ones over the last 70 years. Recall also that nearly half of S&P 500 revenue is earned abroad and will not be enhanced by new U.S. domestic policies but may be hurt by new nationalist measures. It is far from clear that corporate tax reform on the scale envisioned by the new administration will pass this year and even the hallmark 1986 Act tax reform act had only modest stock market impacts. The impact of regulatory changes will be felt only in some sectors and may be offset by new populist measures such as restrictions on pharmaceutical pricing.

Fifth, and most important, new governments with authoritarian tendencies have historically brought about bull markets even before they led to disaster. Governments with much stronger authoritarian tendencies than anything plausible in the U.S. — like those of Hitler or Mussolini — nonetheless saw strong markets in their early years.

I am not sure which is more difficult: predicting what Trump will do next or timing the market. Either way after the events of the last week, it is much easier to imagine downside than upside scenarios.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ght-scare-you/

[Muta]

Originally Posted by calculoso

Daniel Dale @ddale8: The president of the United States said 23 false things this week. #TrumpCheck https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2...k-updates.html

Daniel Dale @ddale8: Donald Trump said 17 false things at the press conference at which he attacked the media as dishonest. #TrumpCheck https://www.thestar.com/content/thes...dishonest.html

Someone needs to start calling out his fake news.

[photon]

Trump tweet that was quickly deleted.



https://projects.propublica.org/poli...79442790772737

[photon]

Oh sorry, he deleted it so he could add more news outlets to it, and delete the superfluous spaces, not because it's too insane. EDIT: Removed "SICK!" too.

Donald J. Trump Verified account
‏@realDonaldTrump

The FAKE NEWS media (failing @nytimes, @NBCNews, @ABC, @CBS, @CNN) is not my enemy, it is the enemy of the American People!

[REDVAN]

President Trump is amazingly entertaining.

[PepsiFree]

I'm kind of a fan of how he can't call it anything but the "Failing New York Times"

That's commitment, I think he managed to add the 'failing' each time he said it during his presser.

[Fozzie_DeBear]

You know what is crazy...even if he gets impeached...he is probably just going to launch the Trump News network right afterwards...ugh.

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

It's worth pointing out that there's no actual reason to think that border agents are allowed to force you to give them your phone or computer password, really. It hasn't made it to court yet. They think they have this ability, but it's not at all clear that they actually do, legally.

I think they do, until someone is willing to take it to court.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/cb...licy-1.3986496

"According to CBSA policy, the agency doesn't need a warrant to search your phone, laptop, or electronic device, which all fall under the Customs Act's broader definition of "goods."

"Officers can request passwords — though not for information stored "remotely or online." And if a traveller refuses, the device could be detained for a forensic examination."

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Fozzie_DeBear

You know what is crazy...even if he gets impeached...he is probably just going to launch the Trump News network right afterwards...ugh.

That'll be mighty tough from prison.

Oh man, how I wish he would end up in a normal, not white collar prison.

[flames_fan_down_under]

Originally Posted by REDVAN

President Trump is amazingly entertaining.

It's so true. I am glued to these developments.

I feel that his whole attack on the media, for me at least, is having the opposite of his intended effect where I am reading more NYT, WaPo, Atlantic articles that I have ever in the past. I didn't even know who Jake Tapper was B.T. (Before Trump).

It's all genuinely astonishing.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by REDVAN

President Trump is amazingly entertaining.

He get's the Highest Ratings!

[DuffMan]

Is Kelly Anne locked in the basement? haven't seen her in a couple of days.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

Is Kelly Anne locked in the basement? haven't seen her in a couple of days.

She's molting, it takes a little bit.

[Drak]

Cali and New York are mulling over introducing single payer healthcare legislation.

[Fozzie_DeBear]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

That'll be mighty tough from prison.

Oh man, how I wish he would end up in a normal, not white collar prison.

I think that prison for Trump would run the risk of armed revolt from his minions...

[wittynickname]

Originally Posted by dino7c

no it was the biggest victory ever, landslide

seriously though...I don't think he has lost anyone that was stupid enough to vote for him in the first place. To me his supporters seem more hardcore than ever. People that hate him now hated him then. These people watch fox news...and according to them he is doing great, he really put the media in their place yesterday

I think he may have lost a few key supporters, those that are slowly realizing that a Trump presidency/GOP-run everything means they lose their healthcare. It may not be a huge number, but he genuinely didn't win by all that many votes.

I'd also imagine that plenty of Gary Johnson/Jill Stein voters would cross over and vote Clinton if they could re-do it. And plenty of voters in states they felt were safe (Pa, Mi especially) who stayed home would likely get out and vote instead.

He won by 100K votes over 3 states. If they somehow could redo the election today, I don't think he would win. He's caused too many problems, there has been too much chaos. I think some Republicans who voted for him would just stay home if the vote happened again.

It's a moot point, but worth noting. Jill Stein's votes alone, had they gone to Clinton, would have given Clinton the victory. Trump squeaked this win out, and with the benefit of this four weeks of a Trump administration, I think enough people would change their minds/stay home/actually get out and vote to change this around.

Originally Posted by Fuzz

You don't actually believe that, do you? I mean, Hillary was horrible but Trump is in a whole other league of suck.

Had Clinton won, we'd be arguing about whether or not to raise the minimum wage, whether the ACA could be fixed or not, how to handle the situation in Syria--typical daily policy stuff that all administrations deal with in their first weeks.

With Trump, we're causing rifts with long-standing allies, we're insulting world leaders, we're attempting to destroy the First Amendment, we're well on our way to destroying EPA protections, well on our way to destroying education in America, etc.

Hillary Clinton's worst quality is that she was a typical shady politician, but she is seasoned and mature and an actual adult.

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

it was the 45th largest Electoral College margin in history (58 total).


That isn't an ass kicking. Like at all

It only looks like an ass-kicking if you look at an electoral map. If the electoral map properly showed support for each candidate, you'd have blue on the edges, red in the middle, and a whole hell of a lot of purple.

The only reason a map looks like an ass-kicking is because electoral votes are winner take all.

Originally Posted by REDVAN

President Trump is amazingly entertaining.

I wish I wasn't living in the country most affected by his idiocy. As it is, it's mostly just embarrassing and terrifying.