American Politics Thread: Orange is the new POTUS (Archive)

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

I reckon it is more a case of the people that didn't vote might get out and vote.

You might be correct his result might be the same, but you would get more people out that would vote against Trump.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/11/politi...-turnout-2016/

Sadly we will never know...I spent a year saying Trump is such an idiot he will never win...largely based on conversations with sane human beings, media coverage, poll numbers ect.

Election night I felt like a fool, it wasn't the biggest victory ever like he says but come on now its was a ass kicking electoral votes wise. Being more cautious these days and not getting on the "he won't even last four years" bandwagon.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by dino7c

also all economic data coming in is good

Yeah, but none of that is a result of anything Trump has done. In fact, once the executive orders gain traction the little guy will likely suffer more and Wall Street get the boost.

just get used to the idea of 8 years of Trump, it will make it sting less in four years. All the ridiculous things the republicans have done and they are absolutely dominating elections.

Democrats bent over backwards and even cheated to make sure Hillary was the nominee even with the email scandal, do you really trust these guys to take down Trump? Maybe she should have been campaigning in the final days instead of hanging out with Queen B

Sorry, but Trump is going to get impeached. Probably in the next year. Republicans cannot risk getting tied to Trump long term. That would be the end of the Party. They are smarter than that and won't let that happen. Trump will be gone before the midterm election cycle gets serious.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Sadly we will never know...I spent a year saying Trump is such an idiot he will never win...largely based on conversations with sane human beings, media coverage, poll numbers ect.

Election night I felt like a fool, it wasn't the biggest victory ever like he says but come on now its was a ass kicking electoral votes wise. Being more cautious these days and not getting on the "he won't even last four years" bandwagon.

Agreed.

[calumniate]

Originally Posted by dino7c

also all economic data coming in is good

Yes, the economic tires are being pumped. Until inflation pops them just like bobby Lou

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by New Era

Yeah, but none of that is a result of anything Trump has done. In fact, once the executive orders gain traction the little guy will likely suffer more and Wall Street get the boost.



Sorry, but Trump is going to get impeached. Probably in the next year. Republicans cannot risk getting tied to Trump long term. That would be the end of the Party. They are smarter than that and won't let that happen. Trump will be gone before the midterm election cycle gets serious.

His tax plan and his cabinet have a lot to do with the stock market rally...and yeah the same people saying he is gonna be impeached (not you, media) are the people who laughed at his campaign and said he couldn't win.

Republicans will continue to win, there are more democrats but they all live in the same most populated areas, the elections are setup in such a way its almost impossible for them not to win a majority



It sounds like I am defending the guy...I ####ing hate him, just being more logical about things now instead of emotional. He won and it wasn't a fluke

[Senator Clay Davis]

You must remember impeaching Trump means President Pence. Outside the more racist members of the GOP, everyone else would gladly take Pence over Trump. It's a numbers game, namely 30% approval. Once Trump drops below that, impeachment is highly likely. Under 25% and it's guaranteed. Self survival always wins in politics, and with approvals that low Trump will lead the GOP to a midterm slaughter, so they likely won't let it get to that point.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Sadly we will never know...I spent a year saying Trump is such an idiot he will never win...largely based on conversations with sane human beings, media coverage, poll numbers ect.

Election night I felt like a fool, it wasn't the biggest victory ever like he says but come on now its was a ass kicking electoral votes wise. Being more cautious these days and not getting on the "he won't even last four years" bandwagon.

it was the 45th largest Electoral College margin in history (58 total).


That isn't an ass kicking. Like at all

[Senator Clay Davis]

And speaking of getting under 30%, he might do it by April. From Gallup.

[photon]

Originally Posted by Titan

They can demand and search your computer too, though.

That's true though I have a lot more tools on a computer to make things private. I could put the backup in an encrypted VeraCrypt vault**. Or do that and move the backup onto the Internet or a remotely accessible home server.

Could do the same with the computer; backup and delete your normal profile and create a travel profile with minimal info. Or there's probably ways to encrypt and hide a profile from being presented for logging in.

My goal isn't to make the setup completely secure from a serious attempt at getting the info, I just don't want them to be able to casually look through my stuff and take a copy of my device while it's out of my possession.

** VeraCrypt also has a cool plausible deniability feature where you can create an encrypted vault with a hidden volume, you enter one password to decrypt it, and another password to decrypt the hidden volume, and the hidden data is stored in such a way that it looks just like the typical random disk data in an empty portion of the encrypted vault. Of course there's lots of ways to wreck that plausible deniability, the encrypted volume has to be setup and used very strictly to have strong plausible deniability, but again my goal isn't to hide state secrets from a persistent aggressor, it's to prevent self inflated border guards from giggling over my pr0n preferences.

[photon]

Lol, did ICE make this terrible attempt at doctoring a DACA person's statement to make it look like he's affiliated with gangs??

http://fusion.net/story/387463/ice-a...ing-paperwork/

[photon]

Pruitt confirmed.

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/...pruitt/517176/

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by photon

Pruitt confirmed.

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/...pruitt/517176/

Literally "but his emails".

Couldn't wait until Wednesday huh? Huge shocker.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

It's worth pointing out that there's no actual reason to think that border agents are allowed to force you to give them your phone or computer password, really. It hasn't made it to court yet. They think they have this ability, but it's not at all clear that they actually do, legally.

[PepsiFree]

Was anyone else struct with a bit of a dictator-vibe from this line in the press conference?

And one more thing, I have kept my promise to the American people by nominating a justice of the United States Supreme Court, Judge Neil Gorsuch, from my list of 20, and who will be a true defender of our laws and our constitution. Highly respected. Should get the vote from the Democrats. You may not see that, but he'll get there one way or another. He should get there the old fashioned way, and he should get those votes

To suggest he'll get there one way or the other and that it SHOULD be the old fashioned way... but it'll happen either way... what does that mean?

Trump just plans to... make it happen? no matter what?

It doesn't seem as bad reading it, but it definitely sent a shiver down my spine hearing it.

[photon]

I was thinking about this when I heard China had granted Trump a trademark a few days after Trump affirmed the One China policy to China. I thought the policy was a Trump bargaining chip to get a better deal from China? Or I guess maybe it was, just a deal for him...

A decision by the Chinese government to grant President Donald Trump a trademark for his brand could be a breach of the U.S. Constitution, a senior Democratic senator warned Friday.

“China’s decision to award President Trump with a new trademark allowing him to profit from the use of his name is a clear conflict of interest and deeply troubling,” said Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) in a statement. “If this isn’t a violation of the Emoluments Clause, I don’t know what is.”

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...instein-235147

The registration this week came as a surprise win for Trump after a decade of trying — and failing — to wrest the rights to his name back from a man named Dong Wei. The abrupt turn in Trump's bureaucratic fortunes once he declared his candidacy has raised questions about the extent to which his political status may be helping his family business.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/...emark-45504953

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Was anyone else struct with a bit of a dictator-vibe from this line in the press conference?



To suggest he'll get there one way or the other and that it SHOULD be the old fashioned way... but it'll happen either way... what does that mean?

Trump just plans to... make it happen? no matter what?

It doesn't seem as bad reading it, but it definitely sent a shiver down my spine hearing it.

The GOP needs 60 votes to confirm without using the nuclear option. Using the nuclear option (aka eliminating the filibuster) makes all votes from here on out a straight up and down vote. So strategically speaking both sides probably don't want to use the nuclear option. I suspect there will be eight Dems willing to cross over, and if not then we'll see if they go nuclear.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

The GOP needs 60 votes to confirm without using the nuclear option.

They need 60 votes for that, too, because you could just as easily filibuster the rule change itself. But also, I thought they got rid of the filibuster for judicial and executive appointees during Obama's term?

EDIT: Yup - http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/22/us...w&rref=us&_r=0

From the article,

Furious Republicans accused Democrats of a power grab, warning them that they would deeply regret their action if they lost control of the Senate next year and the White House in years to come.

lolol

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

The GOP needs 60 votes to confirm without using the nuclear option. Using the nuclear option (aka eliminating the filibuster) makes all votes from here on out a straight up and down vote. So strategically speaking both sides probably don't want to use the nuclear option. I suspect there will be eight Dems willing to cross over, and if not then we'll see if they go nuclear.

Do we really need or want any kind of nuclear option when it comes to Trump and this administration?

[photon]

The Supreme Court nomination debate still requires a supermajority to end (the nomination itself just requires a simple majority), so the Supreme Court nomination can still be stalled with a filibuster.

The nuclear option is a series of moves that allows the majority party to change the rule through a series of votes that themselves don't require a supermajority.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...tion-filibust/

[Rubicant]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

It's worth pointing out that there's no actual reason to think that border agents are allowed to force you to give them your phone or computer password, really. It hasn't made it to court yet. They think they have this ability, but it's not at all clear that they actually do, legally.

That's all well and good, but if all you're trying to do is cross the border they could make that very difficult. It's amazing the amount of power granted to border agents.