What would Giordano fetch Flames at trade deadline - Page 4 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

Vinny01 · 02-13-2017, 06:45 PM

I don't agree with trading Gio right now but completely understand those that do. 33 with 5 years left on an expensive contract and not putting up near the numbers he has the past 3 years. Gio is still a stud D on this team and absolutely guts the back end if he were to be moved. Flames have a very good top 3 on the blueline but also posses some of the worst bottom 3. Engellend is the only solid piece and he is 34.

If Kulak, Wotherspoon or Jokipakka were better then maybe we could move a Dman but that is not the case.

A team that would trade for him likely is a team whose window is wide open and needs to make a move. I thought the Islanders for Hamonic, Strome, and a 2nd would be a great and realistic return.

I do not see any scenario the Flames move their captain this season or next

Flash Walken · 02-13-2017, 09:46 PM

This is Giordano's worst offensive season in 7 years.

dissentowner · 02-13-2017, 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 18YrOldSamBennett

Not that I agree with the trade proposal but I do not know where you are getting the idea that Sprong is a bust. He has good numbers and spent time in the NHL the same season he was drafted. Derrick Pouliot is a boom or bust IMO he will either make it as a top flight NHL top 4 defenseman or he will fail to make an NHL roster. The trade proposal is a bad one, but I do not agree with your player evaluation skills. Just sayin'

Have you seen Pittsburgh's bottom 6? Sprong cannot break into that group. He is not going to be an impact player. Pouliot is not needed, we have a glut of D men like that in the AHL. If you are trading Gio you better be getting back a young can't miss player back.

Doc Hudson · 02-13-2017, 10:05 PM

I also have to add that I was asking if it would be enough to get folks to listen, not that I would make that specific trade. If you think MAF is junk, maybe you counter with Murray. I'm sure the Pens "hang-up" then, but this is all about who blinks first.

It is just plain silly to suggest there is no sense in having conversations with the other GMs and seeing what is out there. If they bring up Gio, you tell them it will cost them an arm and a leg.

Quote:

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Have you seen Pittsburgh's bottom 6? Sprong cannot break into that group. He is not going to be an impact player. Pouliot is not needed, we have a glut of D men like that in the AHL. If you are trading Gio you better be getting back a young can't miss player back.

Doc Hudson · 02-13-2017, 10:12 PM

What does ever loving hell mean?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Judging by that proposal, we can all be very thankful that you aren't our GM. First off, if your proposal involves quality in exchange for quantity, you had better be the one getting the quality. And given you propose to have us give up by far the best player in the deal in exchange for a lot of... stuff, there's not a chance in hell I'd consider that proposal.

As to the rest of your post, what in the ever loving hell are you going on about?

Erick Estrada · 02-13-2017, 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

This is Giordano's worst offensive season in 7 years.

Outside of the Backlund line pretty well ever other player on the team has having a poor year offensively for the most part. That said there's no doubt Giordano is probably in a bit of a decline. A good GM will know when the time is right to try and move on.

CSharp · 02-14-2017, 12:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

you'll get less for him than you think, because of the huge cap hit, remaining time on deal and his age.
one of those cases that the player has the most value to the team he's current on.

Not for a team that thinks they can win it all by getting the right player at the right time. Yeah, his current contract stinks like one of those contracts handed out by Sutter, but I'm sure the Flames can absorb some of that contract if the other team is willing to give up something good in return.

For those who talk about ludicrous in trading the captain of the team, please look no further than a few years back. So, it's absolutely ludicrous to be hypocritical about this same situation. The only difference between Iggy and Gio is that if the latter doesn't get traded, Flames are stuck with a $6.75mil cap hit until he retires - and that's in 2022 when it ends.

I just bumped into this from last season's CapFriendly's Armchair GM, my God, if that happened, it would be sweet!

https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/13486

meh · 02-14-2017, 12:51 AM

I have no issue with Gio. However, I always have thought of a Captain as a "difference maker" or "clutch" guy. I don't know if Gio is that.

DoubleK · 02-14-2017, 01:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

A good GM will know when the time is right to try and move on.

This might just be that time. They aren't going to win a cup with Gio. Time to move on.

Resolute 14 · 02-14-2017, 07:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

This is Giordano's worst offensive season in 7 years.

Nearly everyone is suffering an offensive decline. That happens when you have an idiot for a coach.

GordonBlue · 02-14-2017, 08:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vinny01

A team that would trade for him likely is a team whose window is wide open and needs to make a move. I thought the Islanders for Hamonic, Strome, and a 2nd would be a great and realistic return.

I do not see any scenario the Flames move their captain this season or next

other than the fact that wang and snow are generally useless, why would they make that trade?
post apex player with a really bad contract going forward. I don't think that's a realistic return when you factor in the contract and salary cap concerns. maybe Hamonic and a draft pick.

Erick Estrada · 02-14-2017, 08:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Nearly everyone is suffering an offensive decline. That happens when you have an idiot for a coach.

Problem is that the trade values of most players on this roster have taken a big hit under Gulutzan. Guys like Gaudreau, Brody, Bennett has seen their games plummet to the point you would be selling low on any of them. Not saying the team should trade any of those guys but if an opportunity ever came up to acquire a missing piece there's few assets on this team that haven't taken a major hit in value this season.

bax · 02-14-2017, 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Problem is that the trade values of most players on this roster have taken a big hit under Gulutzan. Guys like Gaudreau, Brody, Bennett has seen their games plummet to the point you would be selling low on any of them. Not saying the team should trade any of those guys but if an opportunity ever came up to acquire a missing piece there's few assets on this team that haven't taken a major hit in value this season.

But what if...just what if scouts and NHL executives don't judge players solely on their last 50 games played?

Erick Estrada · 02-14-2017, 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bax

But what if...just what if scouts and NHL executives don't judge players solely on their last 50 games played?

Are you trying to make a case for Wideman having some trade value?

bax · 02-14-2017, 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Are you trying to make a case for Wideman having some trade value?

No, you didn't mention Wideman. You mentioned Gaudreau, Monahan, Brodie, and Bennett. The point I was making is that their trade values haven't taken a massive hit as you've suggested.

Flash Walken · 02-14-2017, 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Nearly everyone is suffering an offensive decline. That happens when you have an idiot for a coach.

Hamilton has 11 more points than giordano.

Raise your hand if you thought Michael Freakin' Ferland would have more goals at this point in the season than giordano. Or Alex Chiasson for that matter.

Giordano's production drop has been more significant than anyone else on the roster. I don't think that is just coaching.

Erick Estrada · 02-14-2017, 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bax

No, you didn't mention Wideman. You mentioned Gaudreau, Monahan, Brodie, and Bennett. The point I was making is that their trade values haven't taken a massive hit as you've suggested.

The point I am making is that by your logic if it doesn't affect Gaudreau, Monahan, Brodie or Bennett then it doesn't effect Wideman. The truth is that it does. Question marks mostly always affect the value of a player. Some teams may think it's a matter of a player needing a change of scenery but others will tread cautiously. Just like when a player has a breakout season in the last year of his deal he will get overpaid for that career season.

Classic_Sniper · 02-14-2017, 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Hamilton has 11 more points than giordano.

Raise your hand if you thought Michael Freakin' Ferland would have more goals at this point in the season than giordano. Or Alex Chiasson for that matter.

Giordano's production drop has been more significant than anyone else on the roster. I don't think that is just coaching.

His drop has coincided with the fact that he has been paired with Dougie Hamilton. His even strength points are way down from last year because he doesn't rush the puck as often. He generally has to cover up for Hamilton when he makes bad pinches which has happened a lot this season.

He's still in the top 50 for scoring among defensemen and if there's 60 top pairing defensemen in this league then he's still producing at a sufficient pace. He's been the most solid defensive presence on our team this year and I'll take that when you consider how horrible Wideman, Brodie and Hamilton have been defensively this season.

MrMastodonFarm · 02-14-2017, 01:35 PM

Hamilton hasn't caused Giordano to drop from 56 points to 30 (prorate).

This was talked about in the off season but going from Hartley's Active All D style of play to anything else was going to affect Brodie and Giordano's numbers, but no one thought this much. Hamilton's managed to weather that storm because he's still a young defender on the rise.

daveinspruce · 02-14-2017, 07:23 PM

Yup let's hold on to him till we get nothing for him.
Ever since he got hurt he hasn't been the same.
This team isn't moving up, look at some of the horrible play this year.
Johnny looks horrible.
Goaltending looks horrible.
Coaching looks horrible.
Defence looks horrible.
Trade him and see if we can't get a young goal scoring R.W. and some picks.
We could even move him and do a trade like Nashville and Montreal did.