What would Giordano fetch Flames at trade deadline

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

From all accts he's a great guy and works his tail off. only thing that bothers me is he could have a bit more salt & pepper when it comes to people taking liberty's on the teams best offensive player.

When Minny targeted Gaudreau for 2 periods Parise or Granland should have eaten a non-food product and it should have been announced to Boudreau and the Minny bench that more will come if they keep it up. After the broken finger Staal should have been turned purple.

I would rather he lead and show his disdain for Minny by putting a few biscuits in the basket.

Gio sitting in the box for 5 mins for fighting or breaking his hand on a helmet doesn't help anyone other than the opposition.

[CsInMyBlood]

It's funny, if Mark Giordano was on say, the Tampa Bay Lightning, and there were rumors he was available for trade, I guarantee this board would have a thread about what we would have to give up to get this first pairing defenseman.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

I would rather he lead and show his disdain for Minny by putting a few biscuits in the basket.

Gio sitting in the box for 5 mins for fighting or breaking his hand on a helmet doesn't help anyone other than the opposition.

Personally, I would rather take a risk on the latter so other teams don't continue to take liberties with our young players. No need to become a bunch of pansies.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Doc Hudson

Pretty silly for everyone to say no way they would do this. We are not winning the cup the year, our young core have time to get better... and by then Brodie and Hamilton will be more seasoned vets.

Who guys wouldn't make a Gio + Elliott for MAF + Derrick Pouliot + Daniel Sprong + 1st and 2nd in 2017... or you wouldn't even listen?

You have to face either trading a player before you are ready OR waiting too long until the value is low. I'm not saying I would trade Gio, but I would listen.

The only one making that offer is the voice inside your head, that's the problem.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Doc Hudson

Pretty silly for everyone to say no way they would do this. We are not winning the cup the year, our young core have time to get better... and by then Brodie and Hamilton will be more seasoned vets.

Who guys wouldn't make a Gio + Elliott for MAF + Derrick Pouliot + Daniel Sprong + 1st and 2nd in 2017... or you wouldn't even listen?

You have to face either trading a player before you are ready OR waiting too long until the value is low. I'm not saying I would trade Gio, but I would listen.

So let us break this down. You want to trade our Captain and best D man and a mediocre goalie for a mediocre goalie that makes more money with term, a busted defensive prospect, a busted forward prospect, a very late first and second in a weak draft. Ya, that is brutal.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by keenan87

Personally, I would rather take a risk on the latter so other teams don't continue to take liberties with our young players. No need to become a bunch of pansies.

Not the P-word!

[Doc Hudson]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

The only one making that offer is the voice inside your head, that's the problem.

So, you wouldn't even listen? Got it.

Thank goodness you guys aren't our GM. You always talk, sometimes you hang up, sometimes you keep talking. If you hang up though you never know where it could go. If you think the ask is insufficient, then you counter. Usually, if you are good at negotiating, you can get to a place where the costs = benefits. Sometimes you do better (Hamilton trade)...

If you think this is a playoff team, then you are optimistic. If you think we can win the cup with this lineup, then you are misguided. Weak drafts coming up, finishing middle of standings, looks like we may need to trade a player with some actual value to help get us there.

Also, responses like the one you gave and the other one speak to your qualities as a person, not to the quality of your thought processes.

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[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Doc Hudson

So, you wouldn't even listen? Got it.

Thank goodness you guys aren't our GM.

Judging by that proposal, we can all be very thankful that you aren't our GM. First off, if your proposal involves quality in exchange for quantity, you had better be the one getting the quality. And given you propose to have us give up by far the best player in the deal in exchange for a lot of... stuff, there's not a chance in hell I'd consider that proposal.

As to the rest of your post, what in the ever loving hell are you going on about?

[wired]

Originally Posted by Imported_Aussie

This thread is below Par. And we know what Par is like...

Team captain, long time player who has played whole NHL career here, full NTC, plays on top pairing...
Sure he has a high cap hit, and is getting older, but trading Giordano send the absolute wrong message and creates a hole on the blueline that would take a lot of time to fill.

So, starting a new thread is not a good thing? If you don't like the thread, bypass it.
This started a discussion on Gio, and some forum members seem to get what I am asking, and some don't.
I am not saying trade the guy, I am asking what people think he would get IF the Flames decided that they wanted to change direction.
So diss the thread if you feel the need, or don't.

[bax]

Originally Posted by Doc Hudson

So, you wouldn't even listen? Got it.

Thank goodness you guys aren't our GM. You always talk, sometimes you hang up, sometimes you keep talking. If you hang up though you never know where it could go. If you think the ask is insufficient, then you counter. Usually, if you are good at negotiating, you can get to a place where the costs = benefits. Sometimes you do better (Hamilton trade)...

If you think this is a playoff team, then you are optimistic. If you think we can win the cup with this lineup, then you are misguided. Weak drafts coming up, finishing middle of standings, looks like we may need to trade a player with some actual value to help get us there.

Also, responses like the one you gave and the other one speak to your qualities as a person, not to the quality of your thought processes.

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Why would you make a counter offer if you had zero intention of trading your captain?

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Doc Hudson

So, you wouldn't even listen? Got it.

Thank goodness you guys aren't our GM. You always talk, sometimes you hang up, sometimes you keep talking. If you hang up though you never know where it could go. If you think the ask is insufficient, then you counter. Usually, if you are good at negotiating, you can get to a place where the costs = benefits. Sometimes you do better (Hamilton trade)...

If you think this is a playoff team, then you are optimistic. If you think we can win the cup with this lineup, then you are misguided. Weak drafts coming up, finishing middle of standings, looks like we may need to trade a player with some actual value to help get us there.

Also, responses like the one you gave and the other one speak to your qualities as a person, not to the quality of your thought processes.

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Thank goodness you're not the GM. Your thought process is to trade our first pairing defenseman for a late first, late second and 2 prospects who haven't shown any guaranteed ability at the NHL level. The team would probably be as bad as the Oilers have been for the last decade.

Hamilton without Giordano looked like an absolute mess this year and Brodie without Giordano is in the top five worst +/- in the entire NHL. Now they're probably better than what the numbers say, but still, how would you make that trade and be certain that you're actually improving your club when all you're getting is a bunch of maybes. The Iginla and Bouwmeester trades were very similar and they look terrible right now.

Personally, I wouldn't trade Giordano because of how well he's elevated the players who he plays with and the work ethic he displays night in and night out. He has shown that he has elite offensive capabilities and any trade that involves him better be a Hall-Larsson type of situation where we clearly get the better player as defensemen always come at a premium.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by Doc Hudson

Also, responses like the one you gave and the other one speak to your qualities as a person, not to the quality of your thought processes.

If you're both this trigger-happy and haphazard on trade proposals, I'd grow a thicker skin if I were you.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Doc Hudson

So, you wouldn't even listen? Got it.

Thank goodness you guys aren't our GM. You always talk, sometimes you hang up, sometimes you keep talking. If you hang up though you never know where it could go. If you think the ask is insufficient, then you counter. Usually, if you are good at negotiating, you can get to a place where the costs = benefits. Sometimes you do better (Hamilton trade)...

If you think this is a playoff team, then you are optimistic. If you think we can win the cup with this lineup, then you are misguided. Weak drafts coming up, finishing middle of standings, looks like we may need to trade a player with some actual value to help get us there.

Also, responses like the one you gave and the other one speak to your qualities as a person, not to the quality of your thought processes.

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I don't think either party makes that offer, that's my point.

I'm sure Flames would listen to offers on any player.

Pure hockey trades don't happen too often any more and I can't think of any player of similar stature to Gio where a trade would help both teams.

So Flames would probably want a very good young player and a high pick. Not sure who would do that because a team with the assets Flames would want probably don't need a player like Gio right now. It's problematic also because of the cap stuff.

I doubt BT would do a quality for quantity trade unless it's quality coming back.

[442scotty]

He's not going anywhere because no team would be stupid enough to take on his contract

[Strange Brew]

Both Brodie and Hamilton's play without Gio is really starting to speak volumes about his value to the Flames.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

I don't think either party makes that offer, that's my point.

I'm sure Flames would listen to offers on any player.

Pure hockey trades don't happen too often any more and I can't think of any player of similar stature to Gio where a trade would help both teams.

So Flames would probably want a very good young player and a high pick. Not sure who would do that because a team with the assets Flames would want probably don't need a player like Gio right now. It's problematic also because of the cap stuff.

I doubt BT would do a quality for quantity trade unless it's quality coming back.

The Flames have a not so rich history of quality for quantity trades. Let's hope those days are done.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

The Flames have a not so rich history of quality for quantity trades. Let's hope those days are done.

[spuzzum]

I'd perhaps consider Gio straight up for Duchene or Draisaitl. Makes us a worse team short term but it's always interesting to think what your current players are worth.

[18YrOldSamBennett]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

So let us break this down. You want to trade our Captain and best D man and a mediocre goalie for a mediocre goalie that makes more money with term, a busted defensive prospect, a busted forward prospect, a very late first and second in a weak draft. Ya, that is brutal.

Not that I agree with the trade proposal but I do not know where you are getting the idea that Sprong is a bust. He has good numbers and spent time in the NHL the same season he was drafted. Derrick Pouliot is a boom or bust IMO he will either make it as a top flight NHL top 4 defenseman or he will fail to make an NHL roster. The trade proposal is a bad one, but I do not agree with your player evaluation skills. Just sayin'

[Mattman]

Aside from the ludicrous idea of trading the team captain, I think Mark Giordano would fetch an B+ Prospect and two 1sts.
It's a weaker draft so I think two 1st round picks wouldn't be too far fetched.

He's a very valuable leader and is a top 2 defenseman on any team.