[PGT] Coyotes 5 Flames ZERO

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

I choose to look at Hartley's tenure on the whole.

That includes 13/14 when even though the team had no business competing in the standings it sure as hell competed on the ice.

And last year was definitely much, much more on goaltending than it was on limp #### half game efforts and work ethic (aka this season), aside from the putrid start.

It sure looked like they competed because your expectations were lower. They got blown out plenty then too

[Weitz]

A friend of mine got tickets like 5 minutes before the game so I went with him. Got there about 7 minutes left in the 1st. Flames looked pretty lost.

But honestly they just looked like a team who hasn't played a game in 5 days and had a "vacation". I'm sure they will be fine next game.

[Da_Chief]

Yup, lets just blame the coaching staff. Forget the incompetence of the GM who has failed to get a top 4 dman and an actual goalie.

Oh, Gio needs to STFU. Stop saying the same cliched crap over and over.

Very unimpressed with his "captaincy", when the going gets tough this team folds faster then a cheap suit.

[Jetfire]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Calgary Flames ‏@NHLFlames
"That's as bad as it gets, in the second and third, with guys trying to do too much ... it's unacceptable." - Mark Giordano

"Thank you Captain Obvious."

[TheScorpion]

Fun Fact: The guy to my right was wearing a horse-head Turek jersey. The guy in front of me was wearing a David Van Der Gulik jersey. And the guy to Mr. Van Der Gulik's left was wearing a Devin Setoguchi jersey.

Ahh, the press level.

[CaptainCrunch]

The players have to certainly take some ownership on this, its not just the coach. There have been too many games where the effort can be kindly described as incomplete.

At that level where players are making a lot of money, there has to be a high amount of self motivation. Coaches shouldn't have to stand up at the start of every game and make the whole win one for the gipper speeches.

If there's a failure its that they decided that after apparently the team basically told management that they hated Bob because he was a task master that they bring in a player coach, and there are too many nights where the players aren't putting in the work.

GG should probably find a way to crack the whip, but its difficult to do in this day and age of guaranteed contracts and no movement contracts and waivers.

The Flames can keep firing coaches which is stupid because we laughed at the oilers for their core running that team. So the question is, does this Flames core run the team?

I've been really unhappy with Johnny this year, he just doesn't seem to have that puck determination, maybe its due to his hand, or maybe this locker room isn't close, but he has to be a lot better.

But at the end of the day, they can't fire another coach, they can't reward the core for failures that have to fall on them.

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

It sure looked like they competed because your expectations were lower. They got blown out plenty then too

Shut out three times all last season.

This is the second time in six games man. 10 seconds away from a third in Montreal.

[Stay Golden]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Fun Fact: The guy to my right was wearing a horse-head Turek jersey. The guy in front of me was wearing a David Van Der Gulik jersey. And the guy to Mr. Van Der Gulik's left was wearing a Devin Setoguchi jersey.

Ahh, the press level.

2nd level a guy a row below us had an Amonte jersey and another guy in guy same had a Weimer jersey

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil

Shut out three times all last season.

This is the second time in six games man. 10 seconds away from a third in Montreal.

I use to pay to fly to Calgary from Victoria in the past 3 years. There's no way on hell I considered to do so this year at any time. I'm not a rich man but it was a joy to do a couple of times a year . This team is just not worth it.

[MarkGio]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

People forget last season so quickly

Nobody forgot anything. Let's look back at last year, shall we?

Gaudreau 30g, 78pts in 79gp.
This year, wouldn't even crack 20g and 65pts if he played 82gp

Monahan 27g, 63pts in 81gp
This year, maybe he gets 50 pts

Giordano was a 56 pt Dman and top 10 Dman
This year he might get 32 points

Brodie got 45pts and was a possession beast
This year he's a -25 with maybe 32 points

Sam Bennett was a respectable 18 goal scorer as a rookie
This year he's regressed and might get 14

People might point to Backlund and say "hey, he's having a career year!". Well he's on pace for 54 points, which is only 7 more than what he got last year. And sadly, his 54 points would lead the team.

The only thing people need to remember about last year is that Nicklas Backstrom got 4 starts (even though he was an abysmal .881 goalie) because Hiller and Ramo averaged 0.892 between the two of them.

[questionmotives]

Originally Posted by Dion

With 26 games left every point is extremely valuable. Now is not the time to be losing to teams you should be beating. We may look back at this game and say those lost points was the difference in not making the playoffs.

The Coyotes and Avs will beat other playoff bound teams over the next several weeks. And the Flames took care of the red hot Wild before their mandated break. It's hockey. Frustrating for fans? Absolutely. A loss tonight against a hungry young team is not surprising, nor is it the end of the season. Here's to getting after it on Wednesday...

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

Nobody forgot anything. Let's look back at last year, shall we?

Gaudreau 30g, 78pts in 79gp.
This year, wouldn't even crack 20g and 65pts if he played 82gp

Monahan 27g, 63pts in 81gp
This yesr, maybe he gets 50 pts

Giordano was a 56 pt Dman and top 10 Dman
This year he might get 32 points

Brodie got 45pts and was a possession beast
This year he's a -25 with maybe 32 points

Sam Bennett was a respectable 18 goal scorer as a rookie
This year he's regressed and might get 14

People might point to Backlund and say "hey, he's having a career year!". Well he's on pace for 54 points, which is only 7 more than what he got last year. And sadly, his 54 points would lead the team.

The only thing people need to remember about last year is that Nicklas Backstrom got 4 starts (even though he was an abysmal .881 goalie) because Hiller and Ramo averaged 0.892 between the two of them.

Elliott has similar stats below .900 this season

Backstrom got starts because the Flames promised him starts in order to get him to waive his NTC

[MarkGio]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Elliott has similar stats below .900 this season

Backstrom got starts because the Flames promised him starts in order to get him to waive his NTC

It's all relative. Last year only 6 goalies posted less than .900

This year as much as 15 have. But sure, we've all seen Elliot this year; he hasn't been good, especially during the start of the year

[Karl]

Next game, I'd like to see at the very least:

Joki in for Wideman

Bouma in for Hathaway

Elliott in for Chad

Angry Brouwer in for typical Brouwer.

Jankowski up, Bennett to Janko's wing and Chiasson out I would not mind either (Freddie on waivers).

[CGY12]

We should safely assume both the coaching staff and the players were aware of the following coming into tonights game;

- The league wide lack of success from teams coming off the 5 day lay off
- The fact the Coyotes aren't a very good hockey team
- Where they sit in the standings
- The possibility that this was a huge let down spot considering the break and the opponent

Basically all the facts the team should have been plenty aware of that would prevent them from coming out and stinking the joint out, and they come up with a 5-0 loss...

I am not a GG fan at all and I hope this is the only season we see him behind the bench, but tonights performance really speaks volumes about the veteran leadership on this team or lack there of...

[meh]

Originally Posted by Jetfire

"Thank you Captain Obvious."

Don't worry 'bout it Captain Obvious. We will accept the unacceptable again next game...or the game after.

[Bourque's Twin]

Here's the truth about this team:

Gaudreau and Monahan are uninterested this season. Gaudreau whines every game. I think they had too much fame too fast and it got to their heads.

Brouwer was bad before he came and he's still bad now. $4.5M for a guy who puts up 40 pts, has no upside, and isn't dominant physically? Bad signing and he's even softer than I thought. I hope he's exposed in the expansion draft.

Chiasson is not tough at all and has no skill. I think his NHL days are done. That guy being in the top 9 explains why the Flames have no chance this season. How is Bennett supposed to succeed playing with this guy? GG should surround a young player with talented vets who protect him and can play with him. Bennett's development is being hindered by bad coaching. He was a beast when he entered the league under Hartley.

Elliot was never a true #1 and will never be. He is small in his net and mentally fragile.

Wideman is not an NHL D but he's playing with Brodie. I feel really bad for Brodie this season.

Giordano should have a better handle on the dressing room. No captain should settle for this type of inconsistent play throughout an entire season.

The 3M line is the only positive this season. It's only because they outwork everyone. The rest of the team should learn from this.

I know people like Stajan as a person but he's terrible. I can't wait for the team to move on.

It's sad the Engelland is probably gone after this season. I can't imagine how soft this team will be without him.

Does this sound like a playoff team?

[activeStick]

I sort of expected this after the layoff but didn't imagine them getting shut out ... Unfortunate....

[sec304]

What a dumpster fire of a game

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by Mike F

Whether you consider showing up ready to play the coaches' responsibility or the players', I don't know how anyone can take issue with that aspect given the way the team played the first period.

The problem was the second period where the team couldn't generate anything consistently, couldn't capitalize on the few chances they got, and couldn't keep the puck out of their own net.

The top players spent the break partying at the beach at a resort. Who else should we blame for not being ready?

Sick of the players getting a pass for their crap play and not being ready to play.

And I don't care if it's normal for players to hit the beach on their breaks, I'm a fan of the Calgary Flames and they weren't ready to play and it's been an ongoing problem with the top players.

We can continue to plug our ears and our eyes but it's a problem on THIS team and has been for the last 2 years. Players need to grow up and realize they are professionals and can't pick and choose when to be professionals.