What would Giordano fetch Flames at trade deadline

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by Jaydee

Who would take him though?

Seriously?

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Why are you even asking if he's captain material? What shred of evidence do you have that he isn't?

From all accts he's a great guy and works his tail off. only thing that bothers me is he could have a bit more salt & pepper when it comes to people taking liberty's on the teams best offensive player.

When Minny targeted Gaudreau for 2 periods Parise or Granland should have eaten a non-food product and it should have been announced to Boudreau and the Minny bench that more will come if they keep it up. After the broken finger Staal should have been turned purple.

[CroFlames]

He's definitely not getting traded this year, and I'd bet my house on that. The Captain of a club in the midst of a playoff race does not get traded.

Does he get traded if Flames miss? Debatable. What would he fetch? A 1st and a roster player and a prospect I would think.

[FlamesAddiction]

A trade like that would more likely happen in the off-season than at the trade deadline. He wouldn't be a rental and acquiring a contract like his would require most teams to clear space and plan ahead.

[Imported_Aussie]

This thread is below Par. And we know what Par is like...

Team captain, long time player who has played whole NHL career here, full NTC, plays on top pairing...
Sure he has a high cap hit, and is getting older, but trading Giordano send the absolute wrong message and creates a hole on the blueline that would take a lot of time to fill.

[Phaneuf_Phan]

[QUOTE=Imported_Aussie;6121774]creates a whole on the blueline

I think the whole discussion would be different if the questions about Gio were asked before the Flames went on their recent winning streak. Gio's stock price increased since then.

[Northendzone]

i would have to think that the return for gio at the deadline would be quite different than the return for gio in the off season.

i would assume that an off-season deal would net very little for the flames as the flames win by getting rid of a big contract with a longer term.

while at the deadline, you may get a motivated buyer who is willing to part with much more due to the fact they are blinded by the glare off of the cup.

but ultimately, what do i know as i am not a gm in the nhl.

[Erick Estrada]

There is zero chance he's traded this season. The offseason there's a small possibility but it would have to be the type of deal where a guy like Hamonic is coming back. He has one of those contracts where Treliving should always be listening if a team calls.

[PlayfulGenius]

Originally Posted by Imported_Aussie

This thread is below Par. And we know what Par is like...

Team captain, long time player who has played whole NHL career here, full NTC, plays on top pairing...
Sure he has a high cap hit, and is getting older, but trading Giordano send the absolute wrong message and creates a hole on the blueline that would take a lot of time to fill.

Your post (and those like it) are FAR below Par...

... firstly, it's just speculation ...for the most part, no one is disrespecting Gio...

...secondly, your assessment assumes there's no return ... leaves a hole on D??? ...uh, who says there isn't a D coming back in the deal???

[DJones]

Originally Posted by cKy

wut? Backlund has been our best player.

Toss up for me.

I think Giordano has been playing the best defense of his career.

[Imported_Aussie]

Originally Posted by PlayfulGenius

Your post (and those like it) are FAR below Par...

... firstly, it's just speculation ...for the most part, no one is disrespecting Gio...

...secondly, your assessment assumes there's no return ... leaves a hole on D??? ...uh, who says there isn't a D coming back in the deal???

The return on that trade could be anything. It could even be a defenceman as good as Giordano, you know how much we want one of those!

The thing people need to remember is that as much as the NHL is a business, and contracts/players can, and do get moved, it is also not a video game. Actions taken have real-life consequences. NHL players are people who, just like us all, have emotional reactions to the world around them. Moving a team captain after 1 year of his big deal may leave players across the league looking negatively at this organization.
When the time comes to bid on a free agent, or re-up a key piece, that comes back to bite you.


Am I wrong to suggest that trading the team captain, one year into a large deal, when most people acknowledge that the team needs to reinforce, not weaken the defence, is a ludicrous suggestion?

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by CSharp

Gio ain't getting any younger. Flames are still a bubble team and may have a good chance of missing the playoffs if the Blues, Kings, and Preds hold on to that last 3 spots. Stars and Jets coming right behind as well. So, if you look for long term gain, I don't think trading Gio's a bad thing if you can get a couple blue chip prospects to build the team for the long haul. By trading him, you lose his big cap hit, especially on Gio's last 3 years of the contract. Plus, you also free up a spot to protect another player for the expansion draft. Not a bad idea as most would think.

you'll get less for him than you think, because of the huge cap hit, remaining time on deal and his age.
one of those cases that the player has the most value to the team he's current on.

[Badgers Nose]

rebuild the rebuild?

I think best value would be picks and prospects (a really good kid and a high draft pick), which would suck as the Flames are starting to emerge from rebuild status. The team to take him would be a contender so the pick would likely be 20-30 overall.

You can't get anyone who currently plays that would add as much as Gio does by trading him, and you would destroy our defense.

You are not getting a star player for Gio IMO.

[Doc Hudson]

Pretty silly for everyone to say no way they would do this. We are not winning the cup the year, our young core have time to get better... and by then Brodie and Hamilton will be more seasoned vets.

Who guys wouldn't make a Gio + Elliott for MAF + Derrick Pouliot + Daniel Sprong + 1st and 2nd in 2017... or you wouldn't even listen?

You have to face either trading a player before you are ready OR waiting too long until the value is low. I'm not saying I would trade Gio, but I would listen.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

From all accts he's a great guy and works his tail off. only thing that bothers me is he could have a bit more salt & pepper when it comes to people taking liberty's on the teams best offensive player.

When Minny targeted Gaudreau for 2 periods Parise or Granland should have eaten a non-food product and it should have been announced to Boudreau and the Minny bench that more will come if they keep it up. After the broken finger Staal should have been turned purple.

That tactic sounds great on paper but is highly ineffective and rarely employed in the actual NHL any more.
So on that basis I view it as a very fair way to judge his leadership.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Why are you even asking if he's captain material? What shred of evidence do you have that he isn't?

I would say he's been a disappointment this season. His offensive game is starting to look like it is in a massive decline. For someone with his price tag, a huge portion of his value is tied to his offensive output whether fans like it or not. As far as whether or not he's captain material....not sure that is up for debate since he is the captain. I don't really think there's anyone else who would be a better captain at this point either.

What would he fetch in a trade - tough to say. Huge, long-term deal. Post apex player. Probably nowhere near what you'd expect. He's more valuable here than if moved out imho.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by Doc Hudson

Pretty silly for everyone to say no way they would do this. We are not winning the cup the year, our young core have time to get better... and by then Brodie and Hamilton will be more seasoned vets.

Who guys wouldn't make a Gio + Elliott for MAF + Derrick Pouliot + Daniel Sprong + 1st and 2nd in 2017... or you wouldn't even listen?

You have to face either trading a player before you are ready OR waiting too long until the value is low. I'm not saying I would trade Gio, but I would listen.

Or you could keep him and let him retire a Flame. Not every player needs to be traded.

[Classic_Sniper]

The idea of trading Mark Giordano might be one of the most foolish things Treliving could do. The Flames should be looking for more defensemen, not trading away defensemen; especially ones that have been as reliable as he has been this year. Where would Dougie Hamilton be without Giordano this year? May be on another team since he was struggling so mightily before being paired with Gio. Brodie has been instantly better when paired with Gio as well.

He elevates the play of anyone he's paired with. That's what #1 defensemen do. He plays against top lines, can produce offensively at a high level and has an exemplary work ethic. I have zero interest in trading him and am certain the team would be a bottom 5 team this year without him.

Any trade involving him would have to be a Hall-Larson like trade. As in, we fleece the other team from everyones' perspective. That's the only way I'd consider it. Better be a 1st round pick in there as well.

[The Fonz]

Trading Giordano would fetch us a bottom 5 finish in the league next season.

Brodie Hamilton
Jokipakka UFA
Kulak UFA
Wotherspoon

That would just be horrible.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by wired

I like Gio, but is he captain material any more? Is he a fit on this team?
Some on the forum have said they think he will be traded before years end.
Thoughts on what he would fetch?
Mods please delete if this topic was brought up before.

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