2016/2017 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

Wow... Avs would have to add to Landeakog to get Brodie? What are you guys smoking?

I like Brodie, but you guys have him as a #1 Dman who isn't even top 2 on our own team..

What are you smoking bud?

Hall>>>Landeskog
Brodie>>>>Larsson

Landeskog wouldn't be the number 1 or arguably #2 LW on the Flames

Do the simple math

[MrMastodonFarm]

Landeskog's having a terrible season but much prefer him to Taylor Hall. And while he might not hit 65 points again if Calgary could get one of Landeskog, Gaudreau or Tkachuk to play their off wing they'd be pretty set.

Gaudreau - Monahan - Landeskog
Tkachuk - Bennett -

Very skilled top six. A guy like Frolik filling on that 2nd line is great.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by Buff

I would be very surprised if Wideman plays in the NHL next year. He may get a PTO in camp but won't sign with whichever teams sends him a bone for that PTO.

The guy is finished. And his ref issues make it even less likely he'll play again.

[Harry Lime]

No one is allowed to play 'off anything' on this team. If we had a player with an arm growing out of his chest, he would only be allowed to play centre or goal.

[sureLoss]

22 year old left shooting Swedish d-man Callen Rosen tells hockeysvierge that NHL teams have contacted him about signing a contract for next season. He plays on his team's top pairing and leads the league in +/- (for whatever you can read into that).

stats:
http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=37021

He reportedly turned down a firm contract offer from the Penguins last year because he felt that it is better for him to develop in Sweden.

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

What are you smoking bud?

Hall>>>Landeskog
Brodie>>>>Larsson

Landeskog wouldn't be the number 1 or arguably #2 LW on the Flames

Do the simple math

Lets do that.. because clearly you haven't.


Adam Larsson

RHD - Age 24 - 6'3 205lbs, 2016/17, GP 50, 2G 10A, 12 pts 20.13 mins/60 avg $3M +/- +11 PIMS 34min

TJ Brodie

LHD - Age 26 - 6'1 182 lbs, 16/17 GP 52, 3G 14A, 17pts, 23.35mins/60 avg
$3.9M +/- -22 PIM16 min

Larsson is a highly coveted RHD on.. Brodie is not a rarity in the league.

I gotta run, but if you care to continue this discussion, im more than happy top provide more stats to prove that league wide, Larsson holds more value to a team than Brodie does.

This is a classic example of a CP Flames fan over valuing thier own player because of who the other guy plays for.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

Lets do that.. because clearly you haven't.


Adam Larsson

RHD - Age 24 - 6'3 205lbs, 2016/17, GP 50, 2G 10A, 12 pts 20.13 mins/60 avg $3M +/- +11 PIMS 34min

TJ Brodie

LHD - Age 26 - 6'1 182 lbs, 16/17 GP 52, 3G 14A, 17pts, 23.35mins/60 avg
$3.9M +/- -22 PIM16 min

Larsson is a highly coveted RHD on.. Brodie is not a rarity in the league.

I gotta run, but if you care to continue this discussion, im more than happy top provide more stats to prove that league wide, Larsson holds more value to a team than Brodie does.

This is a classic example of a CP Flames fan over valuing thier own player because of who the other guy plays for.

Dang man I didn't think you'd drop the +- as we all know that is the most telling stat when talking about Dmen. You are embarrassing yourself. Keep those stats coming though. Let's only look at the 53 games this season as well and disregard previous seasons. Really try and sell your narrative.

Prior to this year Brodie has been an advanced stats darling while scoring 40+pts.

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Dang man I didn't think you'd drop the +- as we all know that is the most telling stat when talking about Dmen. You are embarrassing yourself. Keep those stats coming though. Let's only look at the 53 games this season as well and disregard previous seasons. Really try and sell your narrative.

Prior to this year Brodie has been an advanced stats darling while scoring 40+pts.

There's no narrative to be sold, I provided cold hard facts and you keep spewing insults to try and support your opinion, which I feel, is simply ridiculous.

Why don't you keep you wasted insults and provide some actual facts to support your perspective?

Edit: prior to this year?

We are talking about now.. and Larson never had the privilege of playing beside someone in the Norris conversation. Brodie has for years.

Is it coincidence that Brodie's numbers have declined since not playing with that partner? I don't think so..

[Sutter_in_law]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

Lets do that.. because clearly you haven't.


Adam Larsson

RHD - Age 24 - 6'3 205lbs, 2016/17, GP 50, 2G 10A, 12 pts 20.13 mins/60 avg $3M +/- +11 PIMS 34min

TJ Brodie

LHD - Age 26 - 6'1 182 lbs, 16/17 GP 52, 3G 14A, 17pts, 23.35mins/60 avg
$3.9M +/- -22 PIM16 min

Larsson is a highly coveted RHD on.. Brodie is not a rarity in the league.

I gotta run, but if you care to continue this discussion, im more than happy top provide more stats to prove that league wide, Larsson holds more value to a team than Brodie does.

This is a classic example of a CP Flames fan over valuing thier own player because of who the other guy plays for.

Ridiculous, Brodie has exactly 2x more points (162 vs 81 for Larsson) in 64 more games (388 games played to Larssons 324)

If you would take a RHD over a clearly superior LHD simply because of his handedness then you are doing it wrong.

And no, points don't tell the entire story, but Brodie passes all the eye-tests as well. He is very simply, a far superior hockey player to Larsson.

[GoJetsGo]

IgiTang should be barred from trade threads. Ugh.

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by Sutter_in_law

Ridiculous, Brodie has exactly 2x more points (162 vs 81 for Larsson) in 64 more games (388 games played to Larssons 324)

If you would take a RHD over a clearly superior LHD simply because of his handedness then you are doing it wrong.

And no, points don't tell the entire story, but Brodie passes all the eye-tests as well. He is very simply, a far superior hockey player to Larsson.

Hes also got 3 years more in the league. Lets revisit points at 26 years old when Larsson gets there.

EDIT: The gap will be much closer.

Want to talk about "eye-test"? Who's eye? Ask GM's around the league what their Eye tells them, not the Biased fan of a team that a player plays for.

One major thing not one of you have acknowledged which is telling... They are completely different types of players. Larsson can play a shutdown role. Brodie, not so much.

Brodie is absolutely a better skater. But you cant teach a 6'1, sub 200 lb player how to be 6'3 and over 200 lbs.

And Larsson is a fine skater..

Thje point here is, and I feel you guys arguing with me are confused as to the point im making..

Im not arguing Brodie is inferior to Larsson, nor am I arguing Larsson is better than Brodie.

I am saying, contrast to Vinnie's post, Brodie is NOT miles ahead of Larsson which he was claiming.

[Sylvanfan]

I wonder if the looming expansion draft will impact how willing teams are to part with draft picks at this years deadline. It does seem that the quality of this draft isn't on par with some previous drafts maybe more like 2014. But there's also one additional team in the league now and every team knows that they will be losing a player they would rather keep.

So I do wonder if we see a few more deeper teams use their 10-12th best protectable player to try and upgrade now as opposed to in the past where draft picks were the currency of choice.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

Hes also got 3 years more in the league. Lets revisit points at 26 years old when Larsson gets there.

EDIT: The gap will be much closer.

Want to talk about "eye-test"? Who's eye? Ask GM's around the league what their Eye tells them, not the Biased fan of a team that a player plays for.

One major thing not one of you have acknowledged which is telling... They are completely different types of players. Larsson can play a shutdown role. Brodie, not so much.

Brodie is absolutely a better skater. But you cant teach a 6'1, sub 200 lb player how to be 6'3 and over 200 lbs.

And Larsson is a fine skater..

Thje point here is, and I feel you guys arguing with me are confused as to the point im making..

Im not arguing Brodie is inferior to Larsson, nor am I arguing Larsson is better than Brodie.

I am saying, contrast to Vinnie's post, Brodie is NOT miles ahead of Larsson which he was claiming.

Not that I agree with your side of the argument, but...you would be better off pointing towards hit totals. As much as fans like TJ, I believe he had the second lowest hit total among D men last year.

I know that's not his game, and them how hits are measured is fairly flimsy but it's probably not that far from the truth.

The flames are not a hard team to play against these days.

That said, no way would i trade Brodie for landeskog.

[nemanja2306]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

Hes also got 3 years more in the league. Lets revisit points at 26 years old when Larsson gets there.

EDIT: The gap will be much closer.

Want to talk about "eye-test"? Who's eye? Ask GM's around the league what their Eye tells them, not the Biased fan of a team that a player plays for.

One major thing not one of you have acknowledged which is telling... They are completely different types of players. Larsson can play a shutdown role. Brodie, not so much.

Brodie is absolutely a better skater. But you cant teach a 6'1, sub 200 lb player how to be 6'3 and over 200 lbs.

And Larsson is a fine skater..

Thje point here is, and I feel you guys arguing with me are confused as to the point im making..

Im not arguing Brodie is inferior to Larsson, nor am I arguing Larsson is better than Brodie.

I am saying, contrast to Vinnie's post, Brodie is NOT miles ahead of Larsson which he was claiming.

Yes, he is and it's not even close.

Is Brodie struggling this year? Yes. But when he's on his game, Larsson doesn't come close to Brodie. Perhaps they're close this year because of Brodie struggling, but we all know Brodie's not playing like we know (and have seen) he can.

You think we're all homers? Ok, go to HF and see where TJ was ranked on their league defencemen ranking polls. That's an opinion of non-Flames fans (mostly, as there is a small Flames fan base there).

Larsson is a fine d-man but he can't handle Brodies jockstrap.

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by nemanja2306

Yes, he is and it's not even close.

Is Brodie struggling this year? Yes. But when he's on his game, Larsson doesn't come close to Brodie. Perhaps they're close this year because of Brodie struggling, but we all know Brodie's not playing like we know (and have seen) he can.

You think we're all homers? Ok, go to HF and see where TJ was ranked on their league defencemen ranking polls. That's an opinion of non-Flames fans (mostly, as there is a small Flames fan base there).

Larsson is a fine d-man but he can't handle Brodies jockstrap.

Again... Conjecture..

And no, I dont think you are all homers... I think many of you see what you want to see and use a very limited amount of information to support your own opinion and when someone actually raises key points which contrast your thoughts, you rely on insults to try and make a case and its the usual suspects who give thanks to those people..

EDIT: Im a die hard Flames fan, you dont think for a second I want to say Brodie is miles ahead of Larsson? I do, but im not blind to the fact that Larsson in his own right, at 23 years old, may hold more value to many teams than TJ Brodie.

[Poe969]

Different players hold different values to different teams. Some teams may covet a guy like Larson more than Brodie because he's more of a "stay at home" kinda guy and if the team in question already has one or more players like Brodie who seem to be "roamers" that team may want a guy like Larson more.

Overall, if LV had a chance to take either Larson or Brodie to start off their D corps, they would take Brodie every day of the week. The other thing is that Brodie is on a very nice contract so that really helps too.

It's just like comparing Regher to more offensive defenders (not saying Larson is anything like a Regher, it's just an example). Teams always want more offense but they also need stay at home guys.

[Strange Brew]

Brodie's play has been so bad that it's hard not to wonder if he has been overrated by our fan base. Suffice to say that if he can't be better than this, the team is in trouble.

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by Poe969

Different players hold different values to different teams. Some teams may covet a guy like Larson more than Brodie because he's more of a "stay at home" kinda guy and if the team in question already has one or more players like Brodie who seem to be "roamers" that team may want a guy like Larson more.

Overall, if LV had a chance to take either Larson or Brodie to start off their D corps, they would take Brodie every day of the week. The other thing is that Brodie is on a very nice contract so that really helps too.

It's just like comparing Regher to more offensive defenders (not saying Larson is anything like a Regher, it's just an example). Teams always want more offense but they also need stay at home guys.

I agree with much of what you are saying, the only issue is, who LV would take is not what we are talking about.

The debate is whether Brodie will always be miles ahead of Larsson and that a Landeskog doesnt get you TJ Brodie and that the Avs would have to add.

Why? because according to some, Larsson is no where near as valuable as Brodie and the fact that he got Hall, makes Hall much less valuable than Landeskog..

Bottom line is, Brodie is not getting you Landeskog and no, the Avs are not adding.. That was the original comment I was replying to.

[Samonadreau]

I don't necessarily think that the Hall/Larsson trade set a bar. As noted a few times Halls stock was not at its peak and it was as much a shake up move to hand the reigns over to McDavid. And I do think Larsson does not get enough credit around here. He plays a different less flashy role but he's a solid #3 Dman right now at 24. In a couple years he should be a legit top pairing D and brings an element to the game that can't be captured on the scoresheet.

I also don't trade Brodie for Landeskog but that's not an outrageous proposal to the point someone should be crucified. I would rather have Landeskog on the flames then Hall so in my eyes he would be worth at least as much.

[jayswin]

Am I in crazy land? IgiTang is the one always making the huge homer trade proposals in favor of the Flames, that other teams would never do. Now I open up the trade thread and he's in an argument with everyone saying "don't worry I'm not calling you guys homers but you need to be more realistic".

Am I thinking of a different poster, can someone help me remember? I'm like 99% sure that was Igitang, he was the resident Flames friendly trade guy, no?