American Politics Thread: Orange is the new POTUS (Archive)

[nik-]

Originally Posted by InglewoodFan

I just looked mine up, because I know he's from the middle east as well. He's from Libya. Nice dude, he's on the way to solving my nerve pain issue so he's all good in my book.

Probably treating you with opium supplied by, and therefore funding, the Taliban.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by nik-

Probably treating you with opium supplied by, and therefore funding, the Taliban.

the long con

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

There are a bunch of these floating around now.

[DuffMan]

^^^
Idiots

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by Chingas

So 82 pages in the last week. Not sure that I can get through it all before it expands another 82. Anyone game to give me a coles notes version of the thread? Might be funny to see differing views on the recap if more than one is game. If not thats ok too, I will pick it up from here.

A lot has happened since I moved to the United States in December of 2000.

This has been the most awful and heartbreaking week I've experienced since I lived here.

As I've posted in other threads, I've had a mostly positive experience here. What has occurred over the last week at both a macro level and at a personal level has made me question everything.

It's not easy to pack up and leave when you share custody of your children with your estranged American wife, are well into your professional career you appreciate, and own a house in a neighbourhood you love.

It's also not easy for people who have all those same considerations but happen to come from a country not as white and non-muslim as Canada.


What a sad week for people living in this part of the world.

[Cole436]

I wonder if this is the Bouwmeester signing for republicans.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Debra Messing@DebraMessing
AMAZING spreadsheet with every senators stance on the #MuslimBan with phone numbers. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...sle=true#gid=0 …

For those interested:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...sle=true#gid=0

[Coach]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

For those interested:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...sle=true#gid=0

"Silent"

F***ing cowards.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by MattyC

"Silent"

F***ing cowards.

They'll be the first to change their phone #'s as well.

[blender]

The Trump presidency will be an unmitigated disaster for the US and the world. America is getting exactly what they deserve.

[red sky]

Originally Posted by blender

The Trump presidency will be an unmitigated disaster for the US and the world. America is getting exactly what they deserve.

More than half of the people who voted cast a vote against him. Do they deserve this?

[Lanny_McDonald]

An absolutely devastating article from ex-Bushie, and neo-conservative, Eliot Cohen.

"We were right. And friends who urged us to tone it down, to make our peace with him, to stop saying as loudly as we could “this is abnormal,” to accommodate him, to show loyalty to the Republican Party, to think that he and his advisers could be tamed, were wrong. In an epic week beginning with a dark and divisive inaugural speech, extraordinary attacks on a free press, a visit to the CIA that dishonored a monument to anonymous heroes who paid the ultimate price, and now an attempt to ban selected groups of Muslims (including interpreters who served with our forces in Iraq and those with green cards, though not those from countries with Trump hotels, or from really indispensable states like Saudi Arabia), he has lived down to expectations."

"Precisely because the problem is one of temperament and character, it will not get better. It will get worse, as power intoxicates Trump and those around him. It will probably end in calamity—substantial domestic protest and violence, a breakdown of international economic relationships, the collapse of major alliances, or perhaps one or more new wars (even with China) on top of the ones we already have. It will not be surprising in the slightest if his term ends not in four or in eight years, but sooner, with impeachment or removal under the 25th Amendment. The sooner Americans get used to these likelihoods, the better."

"He will do much more damage before he departs the scene, to become a subject of horrified wonder in our grandchildren’s history books. To repair the damage he will have done Americans must give particular care to how they educate their children, not only in love of country but in fair-mindedness; not only in democratic processes but democratic values. Americans, in their own communities, can find common ground with those whom they have been accustomed to think of as political opponents. They can attempt to renew a political culture damaged by their decayed systems of civic education, and by the cynicism of their popular culture."

[blender]

Originally Posted by red sky

More than half of the people who voted cast a vote against him. Do they deserve this?

Not enough people turned out of vote, period.
Sure I feel bad for everyone, even the Trump supporters. They are just ignorant and stupid, but this is a cautionary tale about not taking freedom and democracy for granted, about the trivialization of politics, about not holding media accountable, about rampant corporatism, about hubris.
Like I said, it's a disaster, but it's America's disaster and they definitely deserve it.
Democracy delivers in a measure commensurate to what is put into it.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

He used Obamas list. As mentioned earlier no President has ever touched Saudi Arabia.

So it turns out this isn't even close to true, because there was never a list and Obama didn't stop any visa applications.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/ampht...obama-in-2011/

First the white house said it was congress' list, then when pressed on where specifically then next day, they said it was from an Obama Executive Order temporarily suspending Visa applications.

Turns out there was neither a list nor a suspension. It was only Iraq and the was no suspension, only a short term increase in scrutiny due to two applicants being implicated in planting a bomb. The increase scrutiny lead to long delays in processing Iraqi visas.


We have to stop talking the white house's word for things. And that's scary as ###

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by blender

Not enough people turned out of vote, period.
Sure I feel bad for everyone, even the Trump supporters. They are just ignorant and stupid, but this is a cautionary tale about not taking freedom and democracy for granted, about the trivialization of politics, about not holding media accountable, about rampant corporatism, about hubris.
Like I said, it's a disaster, but it's America's disaster and they definitely deserve it.
Democracy delivers in a measure commensurate to what is put into it.

It was the highest turnout in decades

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

'04 and '08 were both higher but yeah it wasn't a low turnout year, really.

[Minnie]

His comments about this being a section in our grandchildren's textbooks echoes my daughter's comments. We were watching some of the news coverage and she turned and looked at me and said "I will be discussing this with MY grandkids, you know? This will be part of my history to teach. And I hate that, so much."

[Fire]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Because clearly no university in some brown country could be any good, and well lets be frank 'those' people are fine for menial labour but aren't bright enough for anything skilled.

Is that where we're going?

If the medical authorities don't believe physicians from certain countries are trained to the same standard then I'm going to by what they said and not random internet posters.

[bigtmac19]

Originally Posted by New Era

An absolutely devastating article from ex-Bushie, and neo-conservative, Eliot Cohen.

"We were right. And friends who urged us to tone it down, to make our peace with him, to stop saying as loudly as we could “this is abnormal,” to accommodate him, to show loyalty to the Republican Party, to think that he and his advisers could be tamed, were wrong. In an epic week beginning with a dark and divisive inaugural speech, extraordinary attacks on a free press, a visit to the CIA that dishonored a monument to anonymous heroes who paid the ultimate price, and now an attempt to ban selected groups of Muslims (including interpreters who served with our forces in Iraq and those with green cards, though not those from countries with Trump hotels, or from really indispensable states like Saudi Arabia), he has lived down to expectations."

"Precisely because the problem is one of temperament and character, it will not get better. It will get worse, as power intoxicates Trump and those around him. It will probably end in calamity—substantial domestic protest and violence, a breakdown of international economic relationships, the collapse of major alliances, or perhaps one or more new wars (even with China) on top of the ones we already have. It will not be surprising in the slightest if his term ends not in four or in eight years, but sooner, with impeachment or removal under the 25th Amendment. The sooner Americans get used to these likelihoods, the better."

"He will do much more damage before he departs the scene, to become a subject of horrified wonder in our grandchildren’s history books. To repair the damage he will have done Americans must give particular care to how they educate their children, not only in love of country but in fair-mindedness; not only in democratic processes but democratic values. Americans, in their own communities, can find common ground with those whom they have been accustomed to think of as political opponents. They can attempt to renew a political culture damaged by their decayed systems of civic education, and by the cynicism of their popular culture."

Excellent article - that's what I've always hated about politics, that blind allegiance to party, makes people lose all their common sense and sometimes their humanity.

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

It was the highest turnout in decades

Maybe once Trump is impeached they can do something about the gerrymandering.