American Politics Thread: Orange is the new POTUS (Archive)

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by peter12

Good piece by Peggy Noonan (WSJ) on Trump's first week.



Read the whole thing.

Lol. She's so out of touch.

If you’re a parent in a tough Chicago neighborhood, you’d be heartened to think the feds might help. You’d be happy the president noticed. You’d say, “Go, Trump!”

Lol. No Peggy. I assure you that's not true

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by peter12

WSJ paywall.

I think you just reached your monthly free limit. Article works fine for me

http://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-tr...rty-1485478386

[DuffMan]

Murika is starting to look more and more like North Korea, especially the mentally incompetent ruler.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

Murika is starting to look more and more like North Korea, especially the mentally incompetent ruler.

This is pretty out of touch, and frankly, very disrespectful to the people of North Korea.

There is no comparison.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Lawyers for two Iraqis with ties to the US military who had been granted visas to enter the United States have filed a lawsuit against President Donald Trump and the US government after they were detained when they arrived in New York Friday.

The two Iraqi men named as plaintiffs in the suit are Hameed Khalid Darweesh, who worked as an interpreter for the US during the Iraq War, and Haider Sameer Abdulkaleq Alshawi. The suit said Darweesh held a special immigrant visa, which he was granted the day of Trump's inauguration on January 20, due to his work for the US government from 2003 to 2013.

The lawsuit said the US granted Alshawi a visa earlier this month to meet with his wife and son, whom the US already granted refugee status for their association with the US military.

Court papers said Customs and Border Protection authorities did not allow the lawyers to meet with the men and told them to try reaching Trump. Democratic Reps. Jerrold Nadler and Nydia Velázquez, both of New York, attempted to speak to Darweesh and Alshawi at JFK's Terminal 4 but were denied.

"When Mr. Darweesh's attorneys approached CBP requesting to speak with Mr. Darweesh, CBP indicated that they were not the ones to talk to about seeing their client. When the attorneys asked, 'Who is the person to talk to?' the CBP agents responded, 'Mr. President. Call Mr. Trump,'" the court papers read.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/28/politi...ban/index.html

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by peter12

Good piece by Peggy Noonan (WSJ) on Trump's first week.


Read the whole thing.

Donald Trump is building a party—and a country—for the little guy. For the working man.

Of course he is.

And I'm building the Eiffel Tower.

[CaptainCrunch]

Very sad in terms of the VISA ban. I assume there are going to be a lot of people that try to return home, especially those with Green Cards and find themselves without a home to return to.

I can't see how this doesn't get challenged in the courts and in a sane world over turned. Its blatant religious bigotry at best, and a overall example of selective racism at worst. Also the appearance of impropriety in terms of not carrying the ban over to countries that have a Trump corporate presence is stunning.

At first I thought that the impeachment wouldn't happen for strategic reasons, that the Democrats wouldn't support it because Trump will ensure that they could run an inanimate carbon rod in the next election and win. But now I have this sense that we're looking at the fate of a nation.

The Roman Empire, the greatest empire to ever exist collapsed because of complacency and poor leadership. You get the sense that the American Empire is about to hit a fork in the road where a collapse could happen because of something that pure evil, and wrong.

[DownInFlames]

Originally Posted by peter12

This is pretty out of touch, and frankly, very disrespectful to the people of North Korea.

There is no comparison.

That is so true. North Koreans are prisoners of a brutal dictatorship. America chose this outcome freely.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Donald Trump is building a party—and a country—for the little guy. For the working man.

Of course he is.

And I'm building the Eiffel Tower.

He's building a party that neither of the old parties or the media recognize. There is no playbook for Trump.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Iran says it will ban all US citizens from entering the country in response to President Donald Trump's executive order limiting immigration from seven Muslim-majority countries, according to an Iranian Foreign Ministry statement published on state media Saturday.

Iran is among seven countries whose nationals are barred from entering the United States for 90 days under Trump's order.

The US ban is "an obvious insult to the Islamic world and in particular to the great nation of Iran," the statement said.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/28/middle...ens/index.html

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by New Era

Well, for one thing it is unconstitutional. As a green card holder you have all the rights and protections of a citizen (with the exception of voting). So to prevent you, as a permanent resident and green card holder, from entering the country, you are being restricted access to what is rightfully yours (access to your home country of the United States of America) because of your race/ethnicity. Seems like this falls under the High Crimes and Misdemeanors discussion. President Trump knowingly signed an unconstitutional executive order.

I don't understand this stuff very well. If it was unconstitutional, how was he able to sign the Executive Order? Are there no barriers to the process or legal concerns / roadblocks with a president signing an Executive Order in direct violation to the constitution?

Is this impeachment-worthy?

I don't get how all this has happened. For example, he won't sever ties with his businesses... how is this allowed? shouldn't he already be impeached just for that, alone?

[CaptainCrunch]

In a cynical move to provide security to the United States and defend it against Radical Islam, Trump is giving them exactly what they want. The US, the great Satan that hates all of Islam and want to kill us all.

ISIS was pretty much on the ropes, but I bet their recruitment numbers go through the roof with America's actions and the rise of nationalism in Europe.

While the world was not exactly what I call peaceful or stable or even close to it. These moves by the American Government are equivalent to me throwing gasoline on a pile of gunpowder, then shaking a jar of nitroglycerine and throwing it on the mess.

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by New Era

Who makes out big on these executive orders? O&G companies and corporations. There is a reason those CEOs were dancing around like happy puppies, they were just told all barriers to making a fast buck were being lifted. This week was not about the "working men and women of America," this was about gifts to the corporations and restrictions on women's rights. The executive orders trampled all over the reproductive rights of millions of American women. They also trampled all over the sovereignty and self government of Native Americans. This article missed so much of the important subtext of these orders.

You should educate yourself on the US treatment of approving pipelines over the last eight years. The only bully I have seen is obama. The vast majority have no idea what has gone on with keystone and dapl.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/richarde.../#60a4eb222bc0

Warning: more then 140 characters.

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

In a cynical move to provide security to the United States and defend it against Radical Islam, Trump is giving them exactly what they want. The US, the great Satan that hates all of Islam and want to kill us all.

ISIS was pretty much on the ropes, but I bet their recruitment numbers go through the roof with America's actions and the rise of nationalism in Europe.

While the world was not exactly what I call peaceful or stable or even close to it. These moves by the American Government are equivalent to me throwing gasoline on a pile of gunpowder, then shaking a jar of nitroglycerine and throwing it on the mess.

Sadly this is never part of the discussion in the us. Pretty important concept but completely ignored.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by New Era

Who makes out big on these executive orders? O&G companies and corporations. There is a reason those CEOs were dancing around like happy puppies, they were just told all barriers to making a fast buck were being lifted. This week was not about the "working men and women of America," this was about gifts to the corporations and restrictions on women's rights. The executive orders trampled all over the reproductive rights of millions of American women. They also trampled all over the sovereignty and self government of Native Americans. This article missed so much of the important subtext of these orders.

You never mentioned Labour once. This is why the Democrats lost.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by New Era

Well, for one thing it is unconstitutional. As a green card holder you have all the rights and protections of a citizen (with the exception of voting). So to prevent you, as a permanent resident and green card holder, from entering the country, you are being restricted access to what is rightfully yours (access to your home country of the United States of America) because of your race/ethnicity. Seems like this falls under the High Crimes and Misdemeanors discussion. President Trump knowingly signed an unconstitutional executive order.

I don't know if that's necessarily true. If you're a citizen you're automatically allowed entry to the country. You can be detained if you're suspected of committing a crime, but they cannot turn you away for any reason. You either have to be charged or let into the country. That right isn't afforded to permanent residents. Green card holders can be refused entry into the US for various reasons. Now whether or not this one ends up being legal is another matter, I suspect it's not. But technically they don't have the same rights as citizens.

[Mr.Coffee]

Americans voted for jobs. That's been clear for awhile now. That said I don't think the majority of Americans want this moron who may try to give them jobs destroying their global reputation which he will do and fast.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Americans voted for jobs. That's been clear for awhile now. That said I don't think the majority of Americans want this moron who may try to give them jobs destroying their global reputation which he will do and fast.

Very true, but in fairness at some point the average Joe on the street isnt going give half a crap about America's Global reputation while hes in line for the soup kitchen.

Take care of yourself and yours first, then you can worry about luxuries like 'Global Reputations,' 'Social Licenses' and the like.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Locke

Very true, but in fairness at some point the average Joe on the street isnt going give half a crap about America's Global reputation while hes in line for the soup kitchen.

Take care of yourself and yours first, then you can worry about luxuries like 'Global Reputations,' 'Social Licenses' and the like.

Exactly, Locke. Exactly correct.

Abstract principles carry little weight in a world that is increasingly being split between those who can afford post-materialist values, and those who cannot.

[DuffMan]

But really it's the suburban hicks that voted for him because of jobs, and really, aside from the Republicans fearmongering of Muslims, how much do they know about global terrorism.
How exactly does terrorism effect them, in their everday lives?