American Politics Thread: Orange is the new POTUS (Archive)

[CliffFletcher]

At what point are people going to recognize that Trump and his spokespeople are going to say dumb, weird, inaccurate stuff multiple times a week, every week, for the next four years? And when are his critics and the media going to start discussing policy, instead of getting sucked into this tit-for-tat playground stuff? Didn't Jon Stewart call b*llsh*t on this style of reporting years ago?

I understand some people follow politics as a kind of sports/entertainment spectacle. But that's exactly what Trump wants - to turn American politics into a circus.

[REDVAN]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

unfortunately, reality backs us up.

Yes, your view of reality backs it up.

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by REDVAN

Yes, your view of reality backs it up.

what parts have we talked about that are reality skewed?

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

At what point are people going to recognize that Trump and his spokespeople are going to say dumb, weird, inaccurate stuff multiple times a week, every week, for the next four years? And when are his critics and the media going to start discussing policy, instead of getting sucked into this tit-for-tat playground stuff? Didn't Jon Stewart call b*llsh*t on this style of reporting years ago?

I understand some people follow politics as a kind of sports/entertainment spectacle. But that's exactly what Trump wants - to turn American politics into a circus.

what policies? repealing ACA? building a wall? we're talking about them

[DuffMan]

Trump to CIA

And I want to just let you know: I am so behind you. And I know maybe sometimes you haven’t gotten the backing that you’ve wanted. And you’re going to get so much backing. Maybe you’re going to say: “Please don’t give us so much backing”. “Mr President, please, we don’t need that much backing.”

lol, what a moran.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

Trump to CIA



lol, what a moran.

I just think it's hilarious that he thinks he can get over on a room full of spooks with his hucksterism. The ego is tremendous.

[Senator Clay Davis]

It's from 2013, but Twitter is Twitter so they found it and now everyone is responding to it

Sean SpicerVerified account
‏whomever just unfollowed me - show yourself you coward

https://twitter.com/seanspicer/statu...86700173598722

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by REDVAN

Is there anyone on CP that is even mildly not completely against President Trump?

You guys are out of control with the vitriol.

Edit: I LOVE the tags for this thread. Amazing.

It's like trying to compliment Oiler/Leaf/Canuck management on the FOI side. You must disavow 3-4 times in your post, lest someone attack you for being a rival fan.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by REDVAN

Is there anyone on CP that is even mildly not completely against President Trump?

You guys are out of control with the vitriol.

Edit: I LOVE the tags for this thread. Amazing.

Have you read through the thread?
There's a few posters (one in particular) that are clearly not completely against Trump.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Is this directed at me? I'm totally confused. What part of my post do you think you're responding to?

No, I was just ranting at Spicer. He obviously thinks we're all stupid and that Trump wouldn't be deeply upset at the crowd numbers even if the media barely covered it.

[KelVarnsen]

So it's come to this.



https://sports.vice.com/en_us/highli...esportstwitter

[REDVAN]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

Trump to CIA



lol, what a moran.

I agree that his wording isn't very good.

But is his message wrong? He wants to support the CIA... and what about that is wrong in your opinion?

I think he's smart for supporting the CIA.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.ce091756810a

We made a tool that slips a bit more context into Trump's tweets. It's still in the early stages, but our goal is to provide additional context where needed for Trump's tweets moving forward (and a few golden oldies).

Must install.

[HotHotHeat]

Originally Posted by REDVAN

I agree that his wording isn't very good.

But is his message wrong? He wants to support the CIA... and what about that is wrong in your opinion?

I think he's smart for supporting the CIA.

You're missing the point

White House press secretary Sean Spicer on Monday disputed reports that administration loyalists stacked President Trump's Saturday meeting at the CIA to create the illusion of strong support within the agency.

When asked about the CBS report that said the administration flooded the room with 40 people who were loudly cheering the president, Spicer pushed back.

"I don't think that's accurate at all. If you listen to the audio, you can hear the excitement that exists there," he said, referring to the administration's presence there as a "very small footprint" of 10 people at most.

Reporters at the event noted that many members of the front row stood up to cheer Trump during the speech, while the senior leadership of the agency did not.


But Spicer said everyone in the first row during the CIA speech was from the agency, dismissing the accusations that those who stood were planted by Trump's team.
Intelligence sources told CBS that agency employees were "uncomfortable" with the cheers and that it "made relations with the intelligence community worse."

Trump has had a rocky relationship with the intelligence community since his election. For months, he questioned the intelligence consensus that Russia was behind the hacks on the Democratic National Committee and other Democratic organizations, noting in a statement that "these are the same people that said Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction."

While Trump ultimately said he thinks Russia was behind the hacks, he further blasted the intelligence community for a leak about an unverified dossier of allegedly damaging information about him.

Spicer dismissed any talk of a rift between Trump and his intelligence agencies, adding that the president wanted to make it clear that what's seen in the media — both allegations of a rift and reports downplaying the size of the crowd at his inauguration — isn't accurate.

"I think he wanted them to know you see and hear all this stuff on TV about this rift that so-called exists, it doesn't matter. Don't believe what you are hearing," he said.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefi...cia-visit-with

[REDVAN]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

Have you read through the thread?
There's a few posters (one in particular) that are clearly not completely against Trump.

Yeah but what I mean is: are there any non-maniacs who aren't against him?

This thread is a giant anti-Trump circle-jerk and it's keeping all but the true hardcore Trump supporters silent.

I am not FOR him per se, I just don't think all the hatred is warranted. I just want more civility in the anti-Trump discussion, if that's even possible.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by REDVAN

I agree that his wording isn't very good.

But is his message wrong? He wants to support the CIA... and what about that is wrong in your opinion?

I think he's smart for supporting the CIA.

See, you thank a post by cliff fletcher saying whatever trump or his administration is meaningless and then take Trump more or less at his word for what was an otherwise small and unimportant part of his speech where he also suggested war crimes might be the order of the day in future wars with Iraq.

I don't know how you square these two things.

[cDnStealth]

Originally Posted by nik-

I just think it's hilarious that he thinks he can get over on a room full of spooks with his hucksterism. The ego is tremendous.

I was reading this article last night which I though was interesting. The cheering during Trump's speech to the CIA was apparently people he brought with him. I've also read that he paid some of these individuals.

An official said the visit “made relations with the intelligence community worse” and described the visit as “uncomfortable.”

Authorities are also pushing back against the perception that the CIA workforce was cheering for the president. They say the first three rows in front of the president were largely made up of supporters of Mr. Trump’s campaign.

An official with knowledge of the make-up of the crowd says that there were about 40 people who’d been invited by the Trump, Mike Pence and Rep. Mike Pompeo teams. The Trump team expected Rep. Pompeo, R-Kansas, to be sworn in during the event as the next CIA director, but the vote to confirm him was delayed on Friday by Senate Democrats. Also sitting in the first several rows in front of the president was the CIA’s senior leadership, which was not cheering the remarks.

Officials acknowledge that Mr. Trump does have his supporters within the CIA workforce, many of whom were interspersed among the rank and file standing off to the president’s right.

There were about 400 members of the workforce who RSVP’d for the event out of thousands who received an invitation in their email late last week. Officials dismiss White House claims that there were people waiting to get into the event.

Intelligence sources say many in the workforce were stunned and at times offended by the president’s tone which seemed to evolve into a version of speeches he’d used on the campaign trail.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/sources-...ump-cia-visit/

[REDVAN]

Originally Posted by HotHotHeat

You're missing the point



http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefi...cia-visit-with

So Trump is surrounding himself with people like Spicer who are trying to rig things positively towards the President rather than negatively.

And Spicer is failing at his job.

[chemgear]

https://www.federalregister.gov/docu...tion-proc-9570

A new national pride stirs the American soul and inspires
the American heart. We are one people, united by a common
destiny and a shared purpose.

NOW, THEREFORE, I, DONALD J. TRUMP, President of the United
States of America, by virtue of the authority vested in me by
the Constitution and the laws of the United States, do hereby
proclaim January 20, 2017, as National Day of Patriotic
Devotion

[puffnstuff]

Calling them the 'intelligence' community for months probably hasnt helped him. But maybe they can 'forgive' him and 'help' him going forward.