11-22-2016, 12:38 PM
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#81
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Jordan!
Join Date: Jul 2009
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Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction
A little early to be into the wine coolers, isn't it?
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Stop talking down to me
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11-22-2016, 12:49 PM
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#82
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by JiriHrdina
Instead of talking down to the community as you like to do - why don't you participate and tell us what it would take?
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He's kinda right though. I mean, Wotherspoon and a 3rd? Come on.
The best way to talk about how this would look is to try to put together a package from any other team besides the Flames, to eliminate bias. What would you have to give up if you were, say, Carolina? You'd probably be talking about something around Elias Lindholm. This isn't a bargain bin situation.
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11-22-2016, 12:50 PM
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#83
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Originally Posted by Bouw N Arrow
Stop talking down to me
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Start contributing.
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11-22-2016, 08:26 PM
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#84
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Dbl post.
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11-22-2016, 08:27 PM
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#85
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Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
He's kinda right though. I mean, Wotherspoon and a 3rd? Come on.
The best way to talk about how this would look is to try to put together a package from any other team besides the Flames, to eliminate bias. What would you have to give up if you were, say, Carolina? You'd probably be talking about something around Elias Lindholm. This isn't a bargain bin situation.
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Elias Lindholm for Anthony freaking 3 point Duclair? I don't think many know who Duclair is if you or others think he's even worth remotely close to Lindholm or Wotherspoon and a third.
He's worth Shinkaruk and a third or maybe a second rounder. That's it. They can even have Poirier as a throw in.
There's a reason the worst team in the league wants to trade him.
Edit: I mean Wotherspoon and a third is a bad proposal and he's worth slightly more.
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11-22-2016, 08:40 PM
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#86
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I believe in the Pony Power
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Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
He's kinda right though. I mean, Wotherspoon and a 3rd? Come on.
The best way to talk about how this would look is to try to put together a package from any other team besides the Flames, to eliminate bias. What would you have to give up if you were, say, Carolina? You'd probably be talking about something around Elias Lindholm. This isn't a bargain bin situation.
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I agree that Wotherspoon and a 3rd is a horrible offer - but it is all too easy for folks to just take a crud on discussion instead of trying to improve it by participating.
But yeah this isn't bargain bin - the Yotes are reportedly asking a pretty penny and someone will probably cough it up.
I hope it isn't the Flames unless that price comes down.
Again. I would move Poirier+Klimchuk or either one + a 2nd.
But I don't think that gets it done.
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11-22-2016, 08:45 PM
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#87
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I think BouwNarrow might actually have been right. He's not going anywhere if the asking price is reportedly that high.
Domi was the biggest reason for his limited success last season. He's a third line grinder with a decent shot. I doubt any team breaks the bank to get him.
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11-22-2016, 09:45 PM
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#88
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In the Sin Bin
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Originally Posted by Bouw N Arrow
Stop talking down to me
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Grow up
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11-23-2016, 08:40 AM
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#89
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Self-Retired
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Originally Posted by calgaryblood
Elias Lindholm for Anthony freaking 3 point Duclair? I don't think many know who Duclair is if you or others think he's even worth remotely close to Lindholm or Wotherspoon and a third.
He's worth Shinkaruk and a third or maybe a second rounder. That's it. They can even have Poirier as a throw in.
There's a reason the worst team in the league wants to trade him.
Edit: I mean Wotherspoon and a third is a bad proposal and he's worth slightly more.
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You go from Wotherspoon and a 3rd being a bad idea but then say Shinkaruk and a 3rd is a good idea?... maybe even add a 2nd instead of a 3rd?
Oh wait it get better... Maybe even Porier?
But hell no to Wotherspoon? I'm not sure if I'm missing the green text here or you are officially the biggest Wotherspoon fan in the world.
I think even Tyler's parents would shake their head at that post.
Edit: I'm seeing Jiri is getting on that train. What exactly is it that has you guys loving Wotherspoon? I don't see it at all. The guy is lucky to become an NHL regular at this point, IMO.
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11-23-2016, 08:52 AM
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He's saying that Elias Lindholm has more value than Duclair and that Duclair has far more value than a third and Wotherspoon.
He's suggesting a "middleground" of Shinkaruk and a third or a second rounder.
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11-23-2016, 09:03 AM
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#91
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Originally Posted by IgiTang
You go from Wotherspoon and a 3rd being a bad idea but then say Shinkaruk and a 3rd is a good idea?... maybe even add a 2nd instead of a 3rd?
Oh wait it get better... Maybe even Porier?
But hell no to Wotherspoon? I'm not sure if I'm missing the green text here or you are officially the biggest Wotherspoon fan in the world.
I think even Tyler's parents would shake their head at that post.
Edit: I'm seeing Jiri is getting on that train. What exactly is it that has you guys loving Wotherspoon? I don't see it at all. The guy is lucky to become an NHL regular at this point, IMO.
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I'm saying Wotherspoon is a bad idea if you're a Coyotes fan and is a bad trade proposal. I meant that the trade proposal of Lindholm being involved is just as bad as the bad proposal of Wotherspoon. Lindholm proposal is highly valued and his was under valued but both equally as bad.
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11-23-2016, 10:25 AM
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#92
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Self-Retired
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Originally Posted by calgaryblood
I'm saying Wotherspoon is a bad idea if you're a Coyotes fan and is a bad trade proposal. I meant that the trade proposal of Lindholm being involved is just as bad as the bad proposal of Wotherspoon. Lindholm proposal is highly valued and his was under valued but both equally as bad.
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IC. My bad. Thanks for Clarifying. I'll shut up now.
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11-23-2016, 11:18 AM
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#93
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by calgaryblood
Lindholm proposal is highly valued and his was under valued but both equally as bad.
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The reason we're disagreeing is that I think you're overrating Flames prospects, I think you're underrating Duclair (whereas you think I'm overrating him), and I think the Coyotes are rating him properly according to his value, but are still asking for a premium on that value in any trade for him.
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11-23-2016, 11:37 AM
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#94
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Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
The reason we're disagreeing is that I think you're overrating Flames prospects, I think you're underrating Duclair (whereas you think I'm overrating him), and I think the Coyotes are rating him properly according to his value, but are still asking for a premium on that value in any trade for him.
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I'm not overrating Flames prospects at all. I don't think our prospect base is anything special aside from Jankowski. They can literally have anyone else. I just think they and others are looking at Duclair last season and thinking that's the player he is. Like I've said previously he benefited greatly by playing with Domi and I think he's being overrated.
You really think the Canes are going to give up on the fifth overall pick for Duclair? Now Lindholm isn't knocking the socks off either but his potential is infinitely higher than Duclair's.
I think a premium is a good prospect and a draft pick. That's all they're going to get. Shinkaruk is probably our only forward prospect that's worth anything aside from Jankowski. What else do you think the Flames would have to give up? I'm actually curious to know what you think it would take from the Flames.
Honestly ask yourself why one of the worst teams in the NHL wants to trade Duclair and is making him available. I think they also see what type of player he truly is.
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11-24-2016, 05:55 PM
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#95
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Our Jessica Fletcher
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Originally Posted by Bouw N Arrow
Duclair isn't going anywhere..
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Post #1535
http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthr...41#post3366441
Re: Kyle Turris
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Originally Posted by Bouw N Arrow
He is not going anywhere.
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01-19-2017, 06:18 PM
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#96
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Originally Posted by Bouw N Arrow
Duclair isn't going anywhere..
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Actually yes he is. Got sent to the AHL today.
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01-19-2017, 06:33 PM
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#97
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#1 Goaltender
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Flames should try and take advantage of the slump. Duclair has the ability to be a .5ppg player.
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01-20-2017, 10:40 AM
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#98
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Self-Retired
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Wotherspoon for Duclair?
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01-20-2017, 11:09 AM
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Could Care Less
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Originally Posted by IgiTang
Wotherspoon for Duclair?
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I wish. Wotherspoon would likely pass through waivers, no way he would net a guy with as much potential as Duclair. Every team has Wotherspoons.
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01-20-2017, 11:20 AM
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Calgary
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[Rumour] Kypreos: Literally every player can be had for the right price
...but seriously, I wonder what Arizona would want for a guy they just sent down?
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