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				Any suggestions for a good mass building workouts?  
 
I got good results strength wise when I did a 5x5 last time I worked out seriously but I actually lost weight. Every 5x5 for mass I find on the web seems super short, just three workouts.... Not really appealing. 
			
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Deadlifts, squats and bench press to depth. I build my workout around those (prefer the trap bar for deads) and the mass stays on. Only problem is I'm frequently voraciously hungry.
 
5 rep sets, about 6-10 sets until I start to feel the form diminish.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			12-05-2016, 11:23 PM
			
			
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			Has anyone used Vagus fitness?  I would love to get some insight if they are worth considering and what the typical cost is...
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			12-06-2016, 02:03 PM
			
			
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			Question; anyone have experience with C4 from Cellucor. Its a preworkout supplement.
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			12-06-2016, 04:59 PM
			
			
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				Question; anyone have experience with C4 from Cellucor. Its a preworkout supplement. 
			
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I've used it. I don't know what you want to know, but I probably have a half of a container left. It made me more than wired!  Like I would take it, workout hard and then 8-9 hours later not be able to sleep that night.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			12-06-2016, 07:04 PM
			
			
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				Has anyone used Vagus fitness?  I would love to get some insight if they are worth considering and what the typical cost is... 
			
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Sounds like a women only gym......zing?
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			12-06-2016, 09:08 PM
			
			
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			After taking pre workout for a few years, I wondered if it was simply the caffeine that pumped me up.  I switched to a 200mg caffeine pill and was bouncing around the gym.  A lot cheaper too.  If I drank coffee I would just do that.
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			12-06-2016, 10:08 PM
			
			
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				Question; anyone have experience with C4 from Cellucor. Its a preworkout supplement. 
			
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Preworkout might help but I don't know if it's worth the money.  May be some post workout supplement with BCAA, glutamine would be more useful and better money spent.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			12-07-2016, 12:37 PM
			
			
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				Preworkout might help but I don't know if it's worth the money.  May be some post workout supplement with BCAA, glutamine would be more useful and better money spent. 
			
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I think the preworkout drinks are legit just for the energy boost, post workout supplements seem like more of a waste of money to me as they don't really provide anything that a proper diet won't.
 
I've been using C4 pre for about a year, good kick and by the time I leave the gym post workout the boost is about gone so I can easily relax and go to bed a couple of hours later. It is pretty intense, though, so if you have low tolerance to caffeine you may find yourself bouncing off the walls for a few hours.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			12-07-2016, 01:19 PM
			
			
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				I think the preworkout drinks are legit just for the energy boost, post workout supplements seem like more of a waste of money to me as they don't really provide anything that a proper diet won't. 
 
I've been using C4 pre for about a year, good kick and by the time I leave the gym post workout the boost is about gone so I can easily relax and go to bed a couple of hours later. It is pretty intense, though, so if you have low tolerance to caffeine you may find yourself bouncing off the walls for a few hours. 
			
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There are some studies that prove that BCAAs will increase gains and decrease recovery time. Probably great for professional athletes. Do they make a difference for the average gym goer?
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			12-07-2016, 02:41 PM
			
			
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				There are some studies that prove that BCAAs will increase gains and decrease recovery time. Probably great for professional athletes. Do they make a difference for the average gym goer? 
			
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I lean towards the idea that your average gym goer should be getting the required BCAAs simply by hitting their macros, but this is coming from someone who's supplement use is limited to a preworkout that's only purpose is an energy boost due to my workouts being after work when I'm a bit drained. That said, I do keep a post workout drink and whey powder on hand for days when I know I won't be eating right afterwords.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			What is a respectable weight when bench pressing with sets? Like maybe set of 4 with 10 reps?
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			01-16-2017, 07:31 AM
			
			
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				What is a respectable weight when bench pressing with sets? Like maybe set of 4 with 10 reps? 
			
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Well, I would say a respectable weight is whatever amount you can personally do for 4 sets of 10 reps... whatever it is. Everyone is different and there are various things that determine how much one can bench.  The question is are you progressing and slightly increasing the weight from week to week?  You could also change things up and perhaps try 4 sets, but pyrmading up in weight and down in reps from set to set.
 
Imo staying dedicated with your workout plan and diet is what makes it respectable.  Getting too focused on the numbers might lead to bad form and possibly an injury.
 
And be careful with this if you are a newbie, as you may not be able to do any at first, but another good measuring tool is seeing how many times you can bench your own body weight.  Reps should start to increase as you make progress.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
				  
				
					
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			01-16-2017, 01:05 PM
			
			
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				What is a respectable weight when bench pressing with sets? Like maybe set of 4 with 10 reps? 
			
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Depends what you're trying to accomplish. Are you looking to imcrease muscle, increase muscular endurance or just lose weight?
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			01-16-2017, 03:51 PM
			
			
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				What is a respectable weight when bench pressing with sets? Like maybe set of 4 with 10 reps? 
			
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4 sets of 10 is quite a lot. Hitting 10 reps on your fourth set will really limit your ability to lift heavier, build strength, or put on mass. Typically that's the goal of weight lifting.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			01-16-2017, 04:19 PM
			
			
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				4 sets of 10 is quite a lot. Hitting 10 reps on your fourth set will really limit your ability to lift heavier, build strength, or put on mass. Typically that's the goal of weight lifting. 
			
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I like going 12-10-8 rep sets on bench with enough weight that the final rep on each set is a struggle, what that weight is doesn't matter as long as you're pushing yourself. Only take a short break between sets and when you can hit 12 on the first two sets easily it's time to up the weight. Works for me, anyway.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			01-16-2017, 07:46 PM
			
			
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			I guess I was more just wanting to know how much you guys bench and the reps-sets.  
 
I live in Asia and have been going to the gym here for about 2 years. Not a lot of big meatheads here, most of the guys at the gym are wiry, so don't seem to lift a lot. I'm just curious how I compare to your average gym guy back in Canada.  
 
I usually do 40 kg plus the bar so 60kg?..I weigh 75 kg.
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			01-16-2017, 08:29 PM
			
			
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				I guess I was more just wanting to know how much you guys bench and the reps-sets.  
 
I live in Asia and have been going to the gym here for about 2 years. Not a lot of big meatheads here, most of the guys at the gym are wiry, so don't seem to lift a lot. I'm just curious how I compare to your average gym guy back in Canada.  
 
I usually do 40 kg plus the bar so 60kg?..I weigh 75 kg. 
			
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As a person that worked-out  regularly in my 20's , almost none in my 30's, and just getting back to it in my 40's, don't worry about what other people think is respectable.  It's just an easy way to get discouraged and/or injured.  Train for the results you want to see (mass, weight-loss, strength), but comparing yourself to a stranger can be counter-productive.
 
That being said, you're not far from benching your own body weight.  That's pretty impressive.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			01-16-2017, 08:30 PM
			
			
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If you can build up too repping with your body weight I'd say that's "respectable"
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			01-16-2017, 10:06 PM
			
			
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			It's great to see a lot of "who cares" to the "how much is a good bench?" question. 
 
There are genetic freaks that can sit all day at work and sit and drink when they get home but can still lift a lot (if they ever tried). Who cares? 
 
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			01-16-2017, 11:11 PM
			
			
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				I guess I was more just wanting to know how much you guys bench and the reps-sets.  
 
I live in Asia and have been going to the gym here for about 2 years. Not a lot of big meatheads here, most of the guys at the gym are wiry, so don't seem to lift a lot. I'm just curious how I compare to your average gym guy back in Canada.  
 
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Like others have said, it does not matter how much you bench.
 
However if you are going 4 sets of 10, that means you are not working yourself to failure for at least the first 3 sets. 
 
Pick a weight that where you reps drop through the sets, because you can't do anymore. Something like 12-10-8-6 maybe. In each set, except for possibly the first which can be a warm up, you should be working yourself to failure. Obviously don't push through any rep if it feels unsafe or you are compromising form. 
 
It takes a lot of experience to learn when you are getting good muscle fatigue, but not risking injury.
 
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