Jane Fonda in Fort McMurray

[RougeUnderoos]

Am I the only one who would have never heard of Fonda's "tour" if I didn't check the OT board?

As for why we don't send Canadian celebrities down to California to criticize their industry, it's probably because it's a pointless exercise that literally doesn't change anyone's mind. Probably better to spend the dough on actual lobbyists, insiders, and people who know what they are talking about and can make things happen, which no doubt goes on all the time.

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Because A, the American's would probably kick the crap out of us, throw up some tarriffs against Canadian Oil and show us what happens when you mess with the bear.

B) Because nobody cares about what Canada thinks or does. We could become the foremost unicorn fart economy and nobody else would pay attention to what we say or do, they'd just laugh and move in to take the market share that we abandoned

C) Canadians feel guilty and apologize for everything, so its easy to say "You Canadians are evil look at those Oil Sands" and we'd shut up and take it and change our behavior to our detriment because we think people are mad at us. Meanwhile I'm sure that if some Canadians went down to the States to protest the California mess, after getting their heads beaten in by riot police they'd apologize on NBC and talk about what a great job the Americans are doing in California.

I meant why don't Canadian energy interest groups pay celebrities like Jane Fonda or Leo Dicaprio to protest or make movies about US oil. If these celebrities can be bought and given an agenda, I wonder why we aren't playing in that market.

[iggy_oi]

http://globalnews.ca/video/3176192/p...tain-approval/

I know most here hate Notley with a passion but thought you'd enjoy her bashing Jane Fonda's visit

[Locke]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

http://globalnews.ca/video/3176192/p...tain-approval/

I know most here hate Notley with a passion but thought you'd enjoy her bashing Jane Fonda's visit

Speaking about being 'tone deaf' about 'lecturing people about getting jobs elsewhere..."

Could laid off oilpatch workers in Alberta get jobs in British Columbia while they wait for the market to rebound?

That was the suggestion by Alberta’s Energy Minister in a speech to the Canadian Association of Petroleum Land Administration on Thursday.

http://globalnews.ca/news/2379629/al...d-work-in-b-c/

"Dining out on your celebrity is something one ought to also pair with knowledge and research, and she failed to do that."

Sounds like shes heard that line a few times but finally gets to be the one to use it.

I dont disagree with Notley at all and I'm glad that shes finally standing up for our Province, you know, the one that elected her to represent it.

Maybe she just doesnt like someone taking her job of bashing our Province.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

Why aren't Canadians vilifying US oil in the same way they're doing to us? Why aren't Canadian energy interest groups paying celebrities to protest what's going on in California, North Dakota, and Montana?

Maybe we're as passive as our stereotype suggests.

You don't **** with the US on the same level as they **** with you or you'll get destroyed. Signed, the rest of the countries in the world.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by jayswin

You don't **** with the US on the same level as they **** with you or you'll get destroyed. Signed, the rest of the countries in the world.

Add to it, as close as he was to being the President about the Environment, Obama didn't order California to clean up his act, he built enough pipelines to circle the globe a couple of times, upped the sale of coal and pushed for more energy independence for the US, then lectured Canada on our Oilsands.

Frankly because his first mandate is really jobs jobs jobs, and strategic independence

In other words, our crying about American energy concerns or hiring celebrities to complain about the US environmental record would have all the effect of a mouse farting in a NFL stadium.

The American's don't care about what anyone has to say about their environmental record. American Celebrities only care about causes that they get paid for like Leo and Jane, which is overly complicated that if they decided to protest in California or talk down about Obama they'd find their actual careers over.

To give her credit because she's certifiable, the bravest celebrity is probably Darryl Hannah because she's spoken out and protested the American Enviro Record and spoken out about Obama being a hypocrite. But again and its no coincidence her career in Hollywood pretty much ended in the 90's and she's one step away from accidentally agreeing to do a pornographic snuff film.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by jayswin

You don't **** with the US on the same level as they **** with you or you'll get destroyed. Signed, the rest of the countries in the world.

No Canadian celebrity wants to detonate their own career by speaking out against American interests. That's just the way to never work again, speak out against American and specifically Californian dirty oil.

[MoneyGuy]

I think we should all just ignore Jane Fonda.

[Dion]

Pete Potipcoe
15 hrs ·

**AN OPEN LETTER TO JANE FONDA **
Dear Jane,

My name is Peter Potipcoe a local radio host here in Fort McMurray and proud member of this community. I'm writing this letter in hopes that perhaps enough people share it and it eventually is so blatantly in your face you can't avoid reading it.
I'll be the first to admit I was immediately angry when I heard you were planning a trip to Fort McMurray and a tour of the Oil Sands using representatives from Greenpeace as your tour guides. Greenpeace isn't exactly known for their non-biased views on the region. However, the anger quickly left and was replaced with sadness for the people of my community as well as the many First Nations citizens whom help make up this large region. I knew right away this was to be a fly in fly out stop over in which you observe the mining operation from the sky and hear a few stories that back up the false narrative being spoon fed to you. Those assumptions quickly transformed to fact as I watched your interviews with the CBC and other media outlets. You quickly took whatever was told to you and regurgitated it to the press as a person who now has a clear understanding of the area and what is happening. How can that be Jane? Did you do your due diligence and get facts from both sides of the equation? I see you toured with the Fort McMurray First Nations but did you perhaps talk to the 800 plus Fort McKay First Nations citizens whom are pro Oil Sands and are proud to say so? Did you bring a scientist to help explain in a non-biased way what exactly you were looking at? No you didn't. You flew over a open pit mine at 150mph and made up your mind on exactly what was happening bellow you. Then when interviewed your rhetoric only used feelings not facts to describe what you saw happening. I have to say I'm very proud of my fellow Fort McMurray citizens who confronted you on it and wanted to engage in some form of adult discourse but you quickly scurried off pretending like you had sympathy and a clear understanding on what it is to like to live in the region of Wood Buffalo.
The real sadness was felt for me at the fact you have chosen this time to smear campaign our region, our lively hood, and our home when a mere 9 months ago the WHOLE region was evacuated due to wild fire. Did you stop to think about that at all? Many of my fellow citizens are still struggling deeply with it and the city has an ora of PTSD surrounding it, many families couldn't even return and those that have are still healing form the stress that it caused. Now, attach that with an economy that has crashed massive job loss and people not being able to afford to eat (Our Food bank has seen 70% increase) you have a very vulnerable city. I was super upset when one of our own people tried to explain that to you and you took her hand as if to provide sympathy and stated "I saw the effects of the fire and I'm very sympathetic" but then you scurried away again as this women poured her emotions out to you about us. Your timing is about as tactful as a bull in a china shop and your sympathy not only shows surface deep nobody here believed it.

Fun fact, did you know those big bad oil companies you were here to smite were the ones that helped save this city. They housed over 30 thousand people as they evacuated for their lives, flew them out of the danger, fed them, paid them and donated millions in equipment to help battle the disaster. If it wasn't for those companies digging deep for us and helping with massive resources this city would be lost. Did you perhaps get that side of the story about the oil sands here in Northern Alberta? No, you saw pictures. You know everything.
In closing Jane, to fully understand what happens here on a day to day level you would have to come spend more than half a day and immerse yourself in the whole situation. I really wish a celebrity would approach the idea like that one day but I've yet to see that discussed. It is a place that leads the world in environmental standards, we have some of the best reclamation projects around the globe and we care about safety and the development of ethical oil and energy. It also takes hard work and a thick skin to handle this life and judging by your face in the -45 windchill you're not tough enough to stay here that long. That's to bad because you might actually learn something.
I'm hoping this letter makes its way to you one day soon.
Sincerely,
Pete Potipcoe
Fort McMurray.

[Enoch Root]

That's great that he took the time to write that, but he never presented one single fact to counter the biased and emotionally driven position that he was criticizing her of.

[PepsiFree]

Cringe-worthy, and I even agree with the general sentiment!

[V]

Yeah, that was straight up awful, and is just a counterpoint to Fonda. Good job, I guess. If you can't beat 'em, join 'em?

[Bootsy]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

That's great that he took the time to write that, but he never presented one single fact to counter the biased and emotionally driven position that he was criticizing her of.

Canada's Energy Citizens wrote a much better one.

http://www.energycitizens.ca/thank_you_jane_fonda

[CaptainCrunch]

Allow me to translate that letter to Jane.

Dear Hanoi Jane

$$$$ a $$$$

Sincerely

Angry person.

And why bother writing a letter to her, seriously its not like she's going to come out of her massive bubble of hypocrisy and read it or change her mind.

[dirk diggler]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Allow me to translate that letter to Jane.

Dear Hanoi Jane

$$$$ a $$$$

Sincerely

Angry person.

And why bother writing a letter to her, seriously its not like she's going to come out of her massive bubble of hypocrisy and read it or change her mind.

Agreed people like her are not interested in facts, dont waste time addressing these idiots...

[zamler]

This does not look a person who has a grasp on things. Anything.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by zamler

This does not look a person who has a grasp on things. Anything.

When you join the 9 digit club, then you can make that comment.

Also, she turns 80 this year and is looking pretty healthy.

[RogerWilco]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

When you join the 9 digit club, then you can make that comment.

Also, she turns 80 this year and is looking pretty healthy.

Are you seriously suggesting that only people with at least 100Million can comment ?

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by RogerWilco

Are you seriously suggesting that only people with at least 100Million can comment ?

no, not even close