[PGT] Flames lost 2-0 to the Jets

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Flames are not a finished product or a contending team...even the top teams lose games the Flames certainly aren't above losing to a team with a whole 2 less wins on the season

it was a bad game they basically handed it to the Jets (who weren't really good either)

they are a bubble team

by the reactions around here it seems to me some fans expectations are too high

As a whole, I think we all bit into the hype on the team a bit hard this year. It's still very much a work in progress.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

Everything was off - no creativity with the puck. Bad giveaways. Sloppy passing. Just a bad game by the flames.

I'd like to point out, however, that because Chiasson lacks talent, both Johnny and Monahan have to be playing well for that line to be playing well. When Monahan is bad, that line is bad. When Johnny is bad, that line is bad. A game like this illustrates why the flames need to trade for RW

Johnny and Sean are paid at a level that they shouldn't be bad very often. Star players are consistent

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

I'm going to say it: Gaudreau was a stinking pile of crap that game. He turned the puck over nearly 20 times, and generated next to no offense.

Brodie had the worst turnovers at worse times, but overall he played a good game.

Also, did Monahan even play tonight. I don't remember him even touching the puck.

Engelland was also noticeably terrible tonight.

So much for Hatha-win.

I think it's him trying to do too much because the other two players in that lin seem to be always a step behind. That line has been bad the whole season, that line combination obviously wasn't working. It doesn't take a genius to see that Chiasson is not the right for that line as much as management wants him to be. They need someone like hudler who is skilled enough where plays don't die on his stick, Versteeg is a possibility but I still think Mony and Johnnt should be split up for the gorse able future. They haven't been good together all season.

[dino7c]

Gaudreau was one of the only players creating anything...I will take the odd turn over

His RW is a borderline NHLer yet we expect him to be over a ppg

[timbit]

Originally Posted by Har-Calgary

Can we please stop forcing this Johnny/Mony combo! Put Mony with Versteeg and put Johnny with Bennett. I think they finally did for a few shifts in the third and that's when Bennett had that chance. Also other than Chad and Dougie I also thought Bennett had a decent game too, he won some puck battles for sure. Flames I think were the better team they just weren't connecting in the offensive zone. Goals against, one was just a beauty by Buff, Gio could have done better but I wouldn't fault him entirely. Wheeler goal, no excuses, terrible give away by Brodie.

Monahan and Gaudreau had 6 A+ chances tonight. How about we conclude that they were not very opportunistic in finishing their chances.

Flames top players sucked and they lost.

It works like that 9 times out of 10.

[btimbit]

Should have worn the retros

[UnitedFlames]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

Ice tilt? Each team had four penalties. Pretty evenly called game.

There's no conspiracy against the Flames. The Wideman effect isn't real. Let's stop blaming the refs. The Flames could have had 0 penalties called against them tonight and they still would have lost.

For me, it's the missed calls, the penalties against the Flames that aren't getting called that add strength to the argument.

[heep223]

Boneheaded puck management and a lack of finish tonight. Lack of focus. Game could have gone either way really.

Fine. Move on to the next. No need to panic - team is in the hunt for a playoff spot.

[Badgers Nose]

Right now just shut down the Backlund line to beat the flames.

Lucky we have lots of talent. They'll stop ####ting the bed soon.

[Flamefan1]

Posters are correct that Brodie did not have the best game. I think he has totally lost his confidence having to play with Wideman for most of the season. He can't play his game because he knows Wideman is not fast enough to get back to help defend if he rushes to help the forwards. This was illustrated on Brodie's mistake on the goal tonight as Wideman did not get back in time to help out Brodie. It is a shame we are hurting Brodie and the team by keeping a pylon in the lineup. We need to get the young guys in the lineup so they can gain confidence as at least they are very good skaters. More importantly we need addition be subtraction.

[Flamefan1]

The Flames were a much improved team with Widemans suspension and subsequent injury last year. I certainly don't want Wideman to get injured, but the Flames would be a better team without him.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Flamefan1

Posters are correct that Brodie did not have the best game. I think he has totally lost his confidence having to play with Wideman for most of the season. He can't play his game because he knows Wideman is not fast enough to get back to help defend if he rushes to help the forwards. This was illustrated on Brodie's mistake on the goal tonight as Wideman did not get back in time to help out Brodie. It is a shame we are hurting Brodie and the team by keeping a pylon in the lineup. We need to get the young guys in the lineup so they can gain confidence as at least they are very good skaters. More importantly we need addition be subtraction.

OMG, this is such bull####. Wideman was where he was supposed to be, waiting for Brodie's pass. Brodie muffed it and placed it directly in the center of the ice where Wheeler happily pounced on it. There was zero chance the fastest skater in the league could have come over to do anything about Wheeler. In fact, Brodie was waaaaay closer to the play and even his skating couldn't get him close enough to Wheeler.

Listen folks, we have to stop ignoring the bad habits of our favorite players. They are not infallible. If they play poorly, it is important to criticize them accurately and stop inventing narratives where "Wideman is ruining Brodie" simply by playing next to him.

Brodie is having a bad year. Deal with it.

[Flamefan1]

I totally agree with the posters who stated Gaudreau and Monahan need to be separated.Gaudreau and Bennett played very well together. Right now Monahan is more of a hindrance to Gaudreau.

[N-E-B]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

OMG, this is such bull####. Wideman was where he was supposed to be, waiting for Brodie's pass. Brodie muffed it and placed it directly in the center of the ice where Wheeler happily pounced on it. There was zero chance the fastest skater in the league could have come over to do anything about Wheeler. In fact, Brodie was waaaaay closer to the play and even his skating couldn't get him close enough to Wheeler.

Listen folks, we have to stop ignoring the bad habits of our favorite players. They are not infallible. If they play poorly, it is important to criticize them accurately and stop inventing narratives where "Wideman is ruining Brodie" simply by playing next to him.

Brodie is having a bad year. Deal with it.

100% agreed. That goal is on Brodie. Terrible pass which caught both Wideman and Johnson off-guard. That's on no one but Brodie.

It's a shame, because I really thought Brodie had turned the corner these last few weeks. Hopefully just a minor setback.

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Anyone else find the team incredibly...unlikeable tonight? Lots of mistakes, no emotion - except when they were complaining to the refs about non-calls...frustrating game to watch.

As an optimistic fan of the Flames tonight I got excited about Tkachuk's battles with Buff, would love to have the manuscript for what was said between Backlund and the officials, and thought Ferland and Hathaway had lots of jamb tonight. The Flames looked like their water bottles were spiked with stupid juice when they got into scoring opportunities. But they did get enough chances to have won this game. And Johnson was on point, he is the best goalie to wear the flaming C since Kipper.

This team is still on the rise, patience is required. Too many drama queens around here.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

OMG, this is such bull####. Wideman was where he was supposed to be, waiting for Brodie's pass. Brodie muffed it and placed it directly in the center of the ice where Wheeler happily pounced on it. There was zero chance the fastest skater in the league could have come over to do anything about Wheeler. In fact, Brodie was waaaaay closer to the play and even his skating couldn't get him close enough to Wheeler.

Listen folks, we have to stop ignoring the bad habits of our favorite players. They are not infallible. If they play poorly, it is important to criticize them accurately and stop inventing narratives where "Wideman is ruining Brodie" simply by playing next to him.

Brodie is having a bad year. Deal with it.

Brodie was terrible tonight, and the goal - along with a few other plays - was/were all on him.

That does not change or negate the fact that they are a bad pairing and Wideman's play is having an impact on Brodie's.

No one (at least no one sensible) is saying that Brodie's struggles are 100% due to Wideman. But there is little doubt that it is a huge factor.

For defensemen, who your partner is has a huge impact on how you play. That is an indisputable fact, and this pairing sucks.

[Enoch Root]

I learned from the game thread tonight that the Flames can't beat teams below them. And also that they can't beat teams above them.

Good to know.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by Flamefan1

Posters are correct that Brodie did not have the best game. I think he has totally lost his confidence having to play with Wideman for most of the season. He can't play his game because he knows Wideman is not fast enough to get back to help defend if he rushes to help the forwards. This was illustrated on Brodie's mistake on the goal tonight as Wideman did not get back in time to help out Brodie. It is a shame we are hurting Brodie and the team by keeping a pylon in the lineup. We need to get the young guys in the lineup so they can gain confidence as at least they are very good skaters. More importantly we need addition be subtraction.

Too lazy to look but are you not the same poster who was all over Hamilton for an extended time?

If so, you have no credibility.

Regardless, why do you underestimate how bad Brodie has been? IMO, if Wideman has that bad an influence on a top player , Brodie perhaps is not the top player you think he is..

Wideman had nothing to do with Brodie's colossal blunders tonight.

[Manhattanboy]

And they were saying on the FAN today how good Brodie has been lately. Lol.

[Enoch Root]

I think you're thinking of FlameFan68 (or something to that effect)