GoFundMe Campaign for CP Member - Children Stuck in Australia in Custody Battle

[Fuzz]

I think the best option, and only way for people to accept that they are donating in good faith is for the father to comment on the gofundme that he is OK with the process, and the only sticking point for him is the funds. No whether he is willing to do that or not is another question, and would probably go a long way to eliminating any doubt people have.

[AltaGuy]

Did the father have a representative at the local court proceedings, or did the case proceed without him? Did he enter evidence? Has an Australian court endorsed/enforced the judgement or is your daughter traveling there for another hearing?

The Hague Convention has serious teeth, and authorities in Australia would pay for the travel.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by First Lady

I know this is a sticky point for people. I will restate - I purposely left it vague as I don't want any backlash against my son-in-law.

Despite the typical bitterness between couples; both my daughter and I want the kids father in their lives.



Nice assumption about a complete stranger. /sarc

They are both equally responsible for the breakdown.
Either of them will admit that.

Quick question, is the dad going to move back to Canada once he has dealt with his issues down under? perhaps more to the point can he?

[Peanut]

I wouldn't give anyone the label of "innocent" if they had a plan to reunite the family, and then just... didn't. Doesn't matter if the marriage breaks down, both parents (likely) deserve to see their children and be involved in their lives. So keeping the kids in Australia when that wasn't the agreed upon plan is pretty harsh for the Mom.

In any case I'm not donating to an international custody dispute. I'm sure it is very stressful for all involved, including grandparents.

I hope it all works out for the kids and they get to have both parents involved in their lives in some capacity.

[JiriHrdina]

If no one travels to Australia does it delay or put at risk their return to Canada? Or is this entirely about making this as smooth as possible for the kids. Not saying that isn't worthy just trying to understand exactly what he funding is for. Are the kids coming back regardless of whether or not someone from the family travels there?

[llwhiteoutll]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

The best thing that mum could do is probably, assuming there is no legal divorce or separation, move to Oz to keep both of them close to the kids.
I'd negotiate with dad to have him help her come over, pretend everything is hunky dory if need be, get a job nearby, rent an apartment etc and set up life over there, maybe, with a little work they can rebuild the relationship, which is best for the kids, if not its Australia, not Iraq, there are worse places to live.

If you have kids with non Canadians there are things you have to accept and embrace, staying together in a less than ideal marriage and moving to another country being high on that list.

Her moving there to work, especially now that she is separated, will be hard. The kids might be clueless, but all of the relationship stuff has to be declared to immigration and is taken into account when the visa application is done. Suggesting that the husband lie to immigration is suggesting that they both commit a crime, she would most likely get tossed, probably for good and he would get a bunch of #### too.

The previous exclusion order because of the last overstay doesn't help matters (she will probably face more scrutiny now) and it is pretty clear there are no funds available to support a long term tourist visa application (which she couldn't work under either).

[calgaryblood]

Well I've already confirmed that First Lady isn't being honest and the father isn't happy or will never accept his kids go back to their mother in Calgary. I think it's very low to lie about the situation.

Mods can PM me for source.

[monkeyman]

Holy, crap, even by your own, high ticket prices, $7000 for hotel and car rental? and do you really need 2 adults to go? I mean if it were me, and I was asking people for money, I'd be looking at ways to minimizing the cost. Just seems exorbitant.
good luck to the kids though.

[Kjesse]

I wonder if Nenshi re-tweeting the request for free money will cause Jane and Cory to become less right wing.

[llwhiteoutll]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

Well I've already confirmed that First Lady isn't being honest and the father isn't happy or will never accept his kids go back to their mother in Calgary. I think it's very low to lie about the situation.

Mods can PM me for source.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by First Lady

If you are given a choice of having social services go in and grab your kids (who are all under 8 yrs old) with just the clothes on their backs and escort them back to Canada with two adult strangers
OR
going yourself, with another family member, helping them pack and decide which special things they want to bring home - which would you pick?

If it meant a guarantee that I would get my kids back I would let the authorities handle it. First one. Totally legit, cheap and no room for repercussions.

And I don't understand. The first scenario is described like a Bin Laden sort raid suggesting non compliance from the father whilst the second suggests compliance? Is he willing to let the kids return to Canada freely?

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by llwhiteoutll

Her moving there to work, especially now that she is separated, will be hard. The kids might be clueless, but all of the relationship stuff has to be declared to immigration and is taken into account when the visa application is done. Suggesting that the husband lie to immigration is suggesting that they both commit a crime, she would most likely get tossed, probably for good and he would get a bunch of #### too.

The previous exclusion order because of the last overstay doesn't help matters (she will probably face more scrutiny now) and it is pretty clear there are no funds available to support a long term tourist visa application (which she couldn't work under either).

They are still married so it wouldn't be lying, frankly I don't give a toss how hard it is, one of them has to move if they actually care about the kids.

Frankly what they should do is reconcile end of story, when you have kids with someone from another country there is no way to divorce that isn't massively damaging to the kids, this is one of those 'suck it up buttercup' moments for both of them.

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

Well I've already confirmed that First Lady isn't being honest and the father isn't happy or will never accept his kids go back to their mother in Calgary. I think it's very low to lie about the situation.

Mods can PM me for source.

Unless you know the family or father personally, this seems a little out of line.

I personally know neither nor have I donated.

[Amethyst]

I don't get involved in custody battles for people I know, never mind internet strangers. I just hope things can be resolved in the best interests of the children and the adults can put aside their own feelings to do what's best for the kids.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

Unless you know the family or father personally, this seems a little out of line.

I personally know neither nor have I donated.

Why's that? She had no problem lying on a public forum and posted the pic of her daughter and kids easily identifying the father. It's a public forum and the public Go Fund Me link leads back to this thread. I don't think it's fair to lie when asking strangers for money.

[V]

This father sounds like a deadbeat loser. He doesn't mind having the kids go to Canada but would rather the mother pay 20k instead of helping the situation along? What a dirtbag!

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by V

This father sounds like a deadbeat loser. He doesn't mind having the kids go to Canada but would rather the mother pay 20k instead of helping the situation along? What a dirtbag!

This isn't true at all.

[SportsJunky]

Do you know the father calgaryblood?

[Ducay]

Originally Posted by SportsJunky

Do you know the father calgaryblood?

[V]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

This isn't true at all.

Obviously it isn't. But after reading FL's content in here, that's the only conclusion I can come to.