GoFundMe Campaign for CP Member - Children Stuck in Australia in Custody Battle

[HotHotHeat]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

It says right in there that she let him take them because there was a death in the family.

One would assume he took them back for the funeral and such.

This is not attending a funeral, though. It's agreeing to allow the father to move the children to the other side of the world (during the middle of a school year) with no (stated) plan to come back, simply that the mother would visit them 6 months later, and maybe, at that point, bring them back.

I don't question the validity of the post in terms of asking for assistance in travel costs, but the original reason they are down there seems very poorly planned from the start.

Hope the family can find a solution, for the kids sake.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by nfotiu

The plan was for him to be there with the kids and she would join them after 6 months.

Ok, but you asked why he couldn't go and she stay with the kids. The whole death in the family thing.

Seems pretty straightforward to me. He took the kids to be with his family, then the marriage broke down while he was there with the kids. Had the marriage not broke down maybe she was going to go for a vacation, then they all would come home together?

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by HotHotHeat

This is not attending a funeral, though. It's agreeing to allow the father to move the children to the other side of the world (during the middle of a school year) with no (stated) plan to come back, simply that the mother would visit them 6 months later, and maybe, at that point, bring them back.

I don't question the validity of the post in terms of asking for assistance in travel costs, but the original reason they are down there seems very poorly planned from the start.

Fair enough, but not everything is well planned out in life.

I could imagine when there is a death in the family not a lot of planning happens. Maybe it was going to be a shorter trip to being with, and ended up changing after the initial shock as over?

Either way I don't really think it is really valid. Kids and Dad went back to Australia (initially all was good), at some point things went south and Dad changed plans which the Mom clearly didn't agree to as to the whole custody battle.

Family issues and custody battles are rarely pretty, I understand not wanting to go into depth on those issues.

[Canehdianman]

I'm not interested in funding someone's flights, but I hope that everything is being done in the best interests of the kids.

[Flabbibulin]

In my opinion, the "unwilling or unable" part really should be clarified if you are hoping to get some public donations, because if it is unwilling, then who the hell are we, as complete outsiders, to contribute to a custody battle? If the father is simply unable financially to send the kids back to Canada, but is otherwise ok with them returning here, then yes I would be happy to contribute.

If the father is unwilling in sending the kids back to Canada (for whatever reason), then perhaps a better course of action would be raising funds for your daughter to at least go to Australia for an extended period of time so she can visit and be with her children while the case plays itself out through legal channels.

[llwhiteoutll]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Ok, but you asked why he couldn't go and she stay with the kids. The whole death in the family thing.

Seems pretty straightforward to me. He took the kids to be with his family, then the marriage broke down while he was there with the kids. Had the marriage not broke down maybe she was going to go for a vacation, then they all would come home together?

If they went in December 2015, their visas would have been expired by March 2016. If she was planning to follow them down in May, the kids would need to have new visas and would have needed to apply for those while outside the country, unless they were planning on entering on an ETA visa and applying for a long stay visa once there (which doesn't make much sense). So there would have had to be plans for them to leave Australia before the end of March at the latest.

There are long stay visas, but those allow for stays up to 12 months and she said the visas expired long ago, not within the last few weeks.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

Yeah well, sure. Good luck. It's pretty poor form to come back to the board after more than 3 years solely to look for handouts to fix your life problems.

How are you now? Happy New Year!

[REDVAN]

I don't want to pile on, but guys there is ALWAYS more to "First Lady"'s stories than she lets on. Do you not recall how/why she flamed out of here??

So good luck to her family, but I won't be donating because I only know a very small part of her side of the story.

[OutOfTheCube]

Originally Posted by East Coast Flame

Jesus, dude....

Hey, I'm just not buying the one-sided story from someone who is (basically) a complete stranger.

Wondering why the marriage flamed out in March too? Woman frustrated with her rocky relationship, alone for months without her family... doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out.

[tvp2003]

Originally Posted by Flabbibulin

In my opinion, the "unwilling or unable" part really should be clarified if you are hoping to get some public donations, because if it is unwilling, then who the hell are we, as complete outsiders, to contribute to a custody battle? If the father is simply unable financially to send the kids back to Canada, but is otherwise ok with them returning here, then yes I would be happy to contribute.

If the father is unwilling in sending the kids back to Canada (for whatever reason), then perhaps a better course of action would be raising funds for your daughter to at least go to Australia for an extended period of time so she can visit and be with her children while the case plays itself out through legal channels.

Without know the specifics of Australia's visa rules, I would agree this would be a better course of action. Based on what's been described, the plan is to fly down, pick up the kids, and then fly back in the span of 24-36 hours?!?

As you can imagine the logistics of this effort are complicated and come at a high cost. It involves flying two adults to Australia and back with 4 children. Additionally, they are located 8 hours from a major city, thus we will need to rent a large vehicle for transportation. Hopefully we can get all of this done without needing to stay overnight in a hotel, but it’s entirely possible that may happen.

Again, if the husband is "unwilling" to send the kids back, I don't see this happening in a week let alone a day.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

Hey, I'm just not buying the one-sided story from someone who is (basically) a complete stranger.

Wondering why the marriage flamed out in March too? Woman frustrated with her rocky relationship, alone for months without her family... doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out.

This is really uncalled for dude. Question anything but the marriage, that's frankly none of your concern.

[afc wimbledon]

I'm going to be a bit of a dick as well here but I see no more reason that they should live in Canada than in Australia, assuming both parents are equally good or bad.

As a divorced dad it pisses me off that the assumption is the mum is the best place for the kids and dad can go pound salt. I am not unsympathetic to the pain this causes FirstLady, but taking the kids away from the dad causes him just as much pain.

[Kybosh]

Looks like a booting in the making.

[photon]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

I'm going to be a bit of a dick as well here but I see no more reason that they should live in Canada

One reason would be consistency. I don't know what the details are in this case, but in general one would want the least amount of disturbance for the kids IMO (assuming one of the parents wasn't negligent or dangerous).

Wherever they have their friends, have their school, etc is where the kids should be and the parent(s) should move to suit those goals.

Again not sure what that means for this specific situation just in general.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Kybosh

Looks like a booting in the making.

we shouldn't, regardless of the rights and wrongs mum is going through a hell I cant imagine, trouble is dad will also go through that same hell if the kids come back and the kids will be screwed either way.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by photon

One reason would be consistency. I don't know what the details are in this case, but in general one would want the least amount of disturbance for the kids IMO (assuming one of the parents wasn't negligent or dangerous).

Wherever they have their friends, have their school, etc is where the kids should be and the parent(s) should move to suit those goals.

Again not sure what that means for this specific situation just in general.

Hard to say since it says they lived in both Canada and Australia.

There are a lot of details that aren't going to be said public, so if people are really thinking about donating they should probably PM any questions.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

Wondering why the marriage flamed out in March too? Woman frustrated with her rocky relationship, alone for months without her family... doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out.

Rocket scientist? No, doesn't take that. I can think of another title or two for someone who leaps to that conclusion so quickly however.

[4X4]

MOD EDIT: No insults please.

[afc wimbledon]

The best thing that mum could do is probably, assuming there is no legal divorce or separation, move to Oz to keep both of them close to the kids.
I'd negotiate with dad to have him help her come over, pretend everything is hunky dory if need be, get a job nearby, rent an apartment etc and set up life over there, maybe, with a little work they can rebuild the relationship, which is best for the kids, if not its Australia, not Iraq, there are worse places to live.

If you have kids with non Canadians there are things you have to accept and embrace, staying together in a less than ideal marriage and moving to another country being high on that list.

[OutOfTheCube]

Originally Posted by 4X4

Your opinion sucks. That's my opinion. FL always contributed respectfully, so what's your beef? She took a leave for awhile? And it was Frink that posted the thread, so get off your high horse and STFU. As if you'd just sit around with your thumb up your ass if your kids or grandkids were stuck in another country.

You are such a Dbag.

Cool man.

Let us know who much you contribute to the cause!

Will we donate to the "I can't raise my 4 kids on my service job income" GoFund me as well?