Alberta Politics Thread

[KevanGuy]

Originally Posted by RedHot25

Number 2: https://twitter.com/natashakornak/st...71755009736704

@jkenney I'm not a @PC_Alberta member, so you got my info from @CPC_HQ. I thought you gave up access to those resources when you resigned? https://t.co/273T5Ph7ce

She appears to be confused. The letter came from Harper, not Kenney

[Bootsy]

http://calgaryherald.com/opinion/col...nd-opportunism

Rob Breakenridge does a nice job of summing up the Jansen drama. I pretty much share his thoughts

[Dion]

'It's a tremendous betrayal to those people who voted PC': Notley on 2014 floor-crossings

You’d be forgiven for thinking this was a quote from some pundit reacting to Thursday’s surprise floor-crossing of former Progressive Conservative MLA Sandra Jansen.

It’s actually Rachel Notley in 2014.

The premier made the comments to Global News Edmonton on Dec. 17, reacting to rumours that were swirling before another surprise floor-crossing, which saw Danielle Smith and eight other Wildrose MLAs flip to the governing Tories.

When asked for her reaction, Notley said: “Well … I think this represents a betrayal to a number of different voters, not just to Wildrose voters but also to PC voters and so both leaders are equally guilty of betraying the people who voted for them in the last election just a little over two years ago.”

It was, she said, “a sad day for honesty and integrity in Alberta politics.”
When asked if she’d ever seen anything so “substantial” as far as political parties are concerned, she had this to say:

“Well we’ve certainly seen floor crossings, but the idea of somebody moving from official opposition into government, I mean it truly is a betrayal of the parliamentary process and of issues of accountability and democracy.

http://calgaryherald.com/news/politi...loor-crossings

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Dion

It's the hypocrisy of her words. She belittles Webber for leaving the party and yet does the same thing. Maybe she should go back to broadcasting.

Flash knows full well what your issue is. He's just baiting you into a reaction.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Dion

'It's a tremendous betrayal to those people who voted PC': Notley on 2014 floor-crossings



http://calgaryherald.com/news/politi...loor-crossings

This is just another example in the sad state of politics in Alberta at this point. The Premier is against floor-crossing until it benefits her. The PCs have the unite candidate who can't seem to follow the rules. It's just a shambles. Who can get excited to vote for any of them?

[Resolute 14]

Agreed, but I wouldn't pretend the federal parties would be any different either. This isn't just an Alberta politics thing, but a party politics thing.


On another note, I wonder how much of my money Notley is spending to buy all of these NDP promotional "job creation" ads they are sending out. Junk mail flyer x2 this week and banner ads on just about every website I visit.

[Fuzz]

Sounds like it is working. They've created flyer delivery jobs, graphic design jobs, website sales jobs....

[MoneyGuy]

This crap is why I hate provincial and federal politics.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Agreed, but I wouldn't pretend the federal parties would be any different either. This isn't just an Alberta politics thing, but a party politics thing.


On another note, I wonder how much of my money Notley is spending to buy all of these NDP promotional "job creation" ads they are sending out. Junk mail flyer x2 this week and banner ads on just about every website I visit.

I do think it's quite different though. At the provincial level you have what amounts to just plain disrespect for democracy in a couple of ways (which is my opinion). Federally you might not love the Liberals, but they're doing things they campaigned on for the most part and not outright ignoring peoples wishes. The CPC has a leadership campaign going and there are a variety of ideas and everyone seems to be playing by the rules. You might not love Bernier or Leitch or whoever else in the race, but at least there is an exchange of new or interesting policy ideas there and not just outright scheming for the leadership.

[Resolute 14]

We're not talking about the same thing, Slava. I was meaning to refer only to floor crossing - the federal parties would be no different. The overall quality of the parties themselves is definitely far lower in Alberta than compared to their federal counterparts.

[Cowboy89]

Originally Posted by Slava

This is just another example in the sad state of politics in Alberta at this point. The Premier is against floor-crossing until it benefits her. The PCs have the unite candidate who can't seem to follow the rules. It's just a shambles. Who can get excited to vote for any of them?

Also to add to your point of the provincial politics being in shambles:
- The David Swann and Greg Clark one man bands and their refusal to merge or cooperate to build a tenable party to occupy the centre of the political spectrum. We have the NDP and a 'far too left for Alberta' government today almost solely because they refused to be ready for when the eventual PC dynasty finally came to an end. We could have had a PC minority propped up by a merged Liberal / Alberta party or vice versa which would have achieved the outcome of cutting down the PC dynasty while avoiding the full economic damage of a NDP government. A year and a half later and still no more progress.
- The fact that no party to the right or centre right can get enough support to have a large enough tent to win an election without including the pro-life, anti-gay elements. Sure I can't imagine that the PC party or Wildrose would ever be able to legislate on these issues, but they cannot fully champion or celebrate social progress on these issues to put LGBTQ2+ and women at enough ease to feel comfortable enough to continually vote for them while the Craig Chandler types are the most involved at the grass roots level.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Dion

It's the hypocrisy of her words. She belittles Webber for leaving the party and yet does the same thing. Maybe she should go back to broadcasting.

I don't understand.

She's saying if this guy doesn't like bullying, he shouldn't go into federal politics (where there is more bullying by implication) and that he should go back to his old job as an electrician (where the implication is there is less bullying).

Isn't that complimentary to electricians?

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Cowboy89

- The fact that no party to the right or centre right can get enough support to have a large enough tent to win an election without including the pro-life, anti-gay elements. Sure I can't imagine that the PC party or Wildrose would ever be able to legislate on these issues, but they cannot fully champion or celebrate social progress on these issues to put LGBTQ2+ and women at enough ease to feel comfortable enough to continually vote for them while the Craig Chandler types are the most involved at the grass roots level.

I would like to see some evidence that this is a fact, please.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Cowboy89

...while the Craig Chandler types are the most involved at the grass roots level.

This is the heart of the problem (here, and in the U.S.). So few people are active at the grass-roots, nomination level that it's easy for inflexible ideologues to effectively take over a party. If the party organizations don't give in to these small in numbers but highly motivated flakes, they're smeared as elitist.

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I don't understand.

She's saying if this guy doesn't like bullying, he shouldn't go into federal politics (where there is more bullying by implication) and that he should go back to his old job as an electrician (where the implication is there is less bullying).

Isn't that complimentary to electricians?

Imagine if, in response to Jansen's complaints of bullying in the legislature yesterday, a PC MLA got up and told her that if she couldn't take the heat she should go back to being a broadcaster. How do you think that would have gone over?

[Wiggum_PI]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I don't understand.

She's saying if this guy doesn't like bullying, he shouldn't go into federal politics (where there is more bullying by implication) and that he should go back to his old job as an electrician (where the implication is there is less bullying).

Isn't that complimentary to electricians?

If the comment was meant to be complimentary to electricians, why did Jansen tweet an apology to them?

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Imagine if, in response to Jansen's complaints of bullying in the legislature yesterday, a PC MLA got up and told her that if she couldn't take the heat she should go back to being a broadcaster. How do you think that would have gone over?

I don't think it would've gone over well, but I don't know if people would be circling the wagons to talk about all the standup newscasters they know?

I just watched the video again, and re-read the article just to make sure I wasn't missing something critical here.

The article states Jansen, "And offending an entire skilled trade’s worth of people in the process." How did she do this?

I mean, this story is 2 years old and is only being brought up to smear her reputation.

The knives have really come out, I guess.

[puckedoff]

We truly are in an era of political correctness if you can't make fun of sparky's without having to apologize in the national media.

[Wiggum_PI]

Originally Posted by puckedoff

We truly are in an era of political correctness if you can't make fun of sparky's without having to apologize in the national media.

Why is it acceptable to infer that tradespeople work in a lessor profession?

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Wiggum_PI

Why is it acceptable to infer that tradespeople work in a lessor profession?

How is it an inference that a profession with less bullying is a lessor profession?

[the_only_turek_fan]

At what point do we see a capping in price for groceries and Flames tickets along with a $25 minimum wage?