PGT: President-Elect Donald J Trump

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Who's mad?

[photon]

Some more details as Trump's health-care agenda updates.

On the transition website, the first two lines in a set of bullet points say that the Trump administration will protect health-care workers from being required to perform services that violate their religious or moral beliefs and that it will “protect innocent human life from conception to natural death.” Neither had figured among the campaign’s health-care positions.

Conversely, the website omits what had been the Republican nominee’s call for Congress to allow Americans to import prescription drugs from countries where they are sold at lower prices. This idea has long been favored by Democratic lawmakers but repeatedly blocked by Republicans.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...492_story.html

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Who's mad?

let's start easy. Celebrities. They're really mad and telling us about it.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

let's start easy. Celebrities. They're really mad and telling us about it.

You would have hoped that this election would have taught them that no one really gives a #### about their opinions.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by nik-

You would have hoped that this election would have taught them that no one really gives a #### about their opinions.

that's incorrect, people on the other side got sick of hearing it. Fueled more anger.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

let's start easy. Celebrities. They're really mad and telling us about it.

Ah gotcha, I thought you meant me. My bad.

I think the entire scene is just fascinating. And sad. And messed up. And strange. And it's not even January yet!

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by nik-

You would have hoped that this election would have taught them that no one really gives a #### about their opinions.

Wait until Kanye runs in 2020

[Drak]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Wait, I thought he's been saying he would repeal and replace it for months?

AFP news agency ‏@AFP
#BREAKING Obamacare could be 'amended,' not necessarily repealed: Trump to WSJ

Gotta keep that Trump brand alive.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by nik-

You would have hoped that this election would have taught them that no one really gives a #### about their opinions.

Was anyone forced to listen to their opinions?

[nik-]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Was anyone forced to listen to their opinions?

Obviously not. That doesn't negate my statement.

[savemedrzaius]

Originally Posted by direwolf

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

Well, this is your home.

Was a Michael Scott joke. I'd post a video if I could find one.

Edit: jeez, just realized you were quoting the next line


"Vikram: I was a surgeon back home.
Michael: Really?
Vikram: Oh yeah.
Michael: Wonder what I would've been back home?
Vikram: Well this is your home.
Michael: I know, but it's competitive here. What's a dollar worth in your land? Medical school must cost like 40 bucks or a donkey or something.
Vikram: Uhh, no.
Michael: I would've been chief of surgery... Or a cowboy."

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

Was a Michael Scott joke. I'd post a video if I could find one.

I know. That's what Vikram said back to him.

[The Fonz]

Damn, I suck.

[photon]

Seems they're going to make a new nuclear launch button for Trump.

[Acey]

Originally Posted by Drak

Gotta keep that Trump brand alive.

Yeah he insisted that Obamacare would be yanked and replaced with something much better and at much lower cost. Like magic.

At the end of the day, Trump marketed his campaign as significant change from Obama and that's how he won the election. It only makes sense that it now gets scaled back to something less radical and actually achievable. It's maybe not a strategy that will you get a second term, but getting people to think you actually care about this how you win an election and Hillary pooped the bed in that department.

[wittynickname]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

i have another topic and maybe a stupid question.

why don't Americans have ID? All Canadians have ID (i think).

In many states that enacted voter ID laws, those states then went about closing the DMV locations in communities that were majority black. That meant that a black person who didn't drive, who took the bus to work, would have to go dramatically out of his or her way, assuming they had any way to get to a suburban DMV location in the first place (many cities have pathetic excuses for public transportation), they also would need to go during certain hours of the day/week (when they would often need to be at work instead, and often they're not working jobs that offer paid time off/personal days).

Originally Posted by GGG

No all people do not have ID. If you lose your ID and its $50 to replace it do you replace it? I do. Not all people would. Even free government ID's require applying for, going to pick up, and not losing.

In states with Photo ID laws voting among the poor drops. It drops by more than the total number of impersonation voter fraud cases ever.

So if you require ID to vote (I assume this is where your question was going) then you are preventing more legitimate votes in every election then you are preventing voter fraud. I believe the number is like 37 cases of possible voter fraud in the history of the US.

Beyond making it harder to get a basic state ID, which targets minorities (generally democratic leaning voters), they also limited what kind of ID was acceptable. For example in Texas, they tried to say that a gun registration was valid ID for voting purposes, but a student ID was not (younger voters more prone to vote democrat). The laws passed are often blatantly pointed at democratic voters.

Originally Posted by GirlySports

you have to have a bank account first. That must require ID? no?

how do blacks (to use a simple example) get paid in the US for the jobs they do without ID or a bank account. How does the US even tax these people? Sounds like chaos

There are check-cashing facilities in various stores--Walmarts, grocery stores, etc. They charge a fee, so these people who are already often making minimum wage or barely above it, are also now paying a fee just to get the money that they already made.

There are also corporations that started paying employees on reloadable debit cards, which was a disaster of a whole different kind https://thinkprogress.org/how-a-gian...348#.raukm1lil

Unless you're working for a tiny company that pays under the table, that company will go through a payroll company, and your taxes are automatically withdrawn from your check. You'll have your gross income listed, and then the actual check itself will be the amount you receive after taxes have been taken out.

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

The FRC is terrible, but calling them an "officially designated hate group", and actually relying on a designation from the SPLC, which has completely ruined its own credibility in recent years, will just cause people to ignore the important part of that choice.

I think it represents Trump essentially delegating these decisions to others, probably including Pence.

Delegating decisions to others, including Pence, who have proven blatant disregard for the basic rights of the LGBT community, women, etc. This is concerning on so many levels.

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Wait people are mad Trump met with Obama and now thinks that maybe parts of Obamacare make sense?

Man that trump what a joke . 2 days in office and is already listening to other opinions and making pragmatic choices on policy

I'm not at all upset that Trump met with Obama and is hopefully accepting reason and logic. But there are going to be a whole lot of his voters that voted such based on him fulfilling all of these promises, including repealing the Affordable Care Act, who are going to be really ticked off when he goes back on that. He got all these gullible idiots out to vote for him, doing his best to upend the country in the meantime, and now he's going to change his mind? Couldn't he have done this a week ago so some of those supporters would've stayed home and we could've had someone in office who actually knows what she's doing?

[Delthefunky]

Dan Carlin has his latest Common Sense show up

http://www.dancarlin.com/

[Jets4Life]

One of the main reasons Trump won the election was the insane amount of political correctiveness in North America:


"A Pew Research survey found that the most appealing factors for 20 percent of Trump supporters is his tendency to speak his mind, even if it means offending a lot of people.

The Trump supporters I know –who are educated and otherwise reasonable people — don’t even agree with Trump’s outlandish policies. Their vote for Trump is merely a vote for the businessman turned politician’s war on political correctness, and a way to express their frustration with being labelled and silenced by moral police."

http://www.mercurynews.com/2016/11/1...l-correctness/


“You know, I couldn’t say ‘Merry Christmas.’ And when we wrote things, we couldn’t even say ‘he’ or ‘she,’ because we had transgender. People of color. I mean, we had to watch every word that came out of our mouth, because we were afraid of offending someone, but nobody’s afraid of offending me,” the former administrator said.

All of which helps explain why the 63-year-old grandmother showed up at a recent Donald Trump rally in Hilton Head Island, S.C., where she moved when she retired a year ago.

The Republican front-runner is “saying what a lot of Americans are thinking but are afraid to say because they don’t think that it’s politically correct,” she said. “But we’re tired of just standing back and letting everyone else dictate what we’re supposed to think and do.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...cea_story.html


“It’s coming from more than Mexico. It’s coming from all over South and Latin America, and it’s coming probably — probably — from the Middle East. But we don’t know. Because we have no protection and we have no competence, we don’t know what’s happening. And it’s got to stop and it’s got to stop fast.”

Shortly after these remarks there was an immediate uproar in social media, and it was largely negative. At least that is what the media projected. The reality is, among many conservative voters, the response was overwhelmingly positive. The fact that he wouldn’t retract them made him a hero to those who now believe that political correctness has become heavy handed and even oppressive in regards to free speech. Many are tired of politicians that continually “temper their words” and “weigh their comments,” and are looking for people to speak what is true to them."


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kevin-...b_7710244.html


“Trump won because of a cultural issue that flies under the radar and remains stubbornly difficult to define, but is nevertheless hugely important to a great number of Americans: political correctness. More specifically, Trump won because he convinced a great number of Americans that he would destroy political correctness.”

Oh, yes. People are fed up. Fed up with being talked down to, ridiculed, dismissed, mocked, smeared as racists and bigots for wanting to defend this nation and identify properly the threats it faces. The left is not going to learn the lesson of last night: the usual suspects are whining this morning about America’s “racism,” but the lesson is plain for anyone honest to see: we’re taking our country back from the globalists, internationalists, socialists, Alinskyites, and their henchmen.

https://pamelageller.com/2016/11/tru...backlash.html/

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by wittynickname

Delegating decisions to others, including Pence, who have proven blatant disregard for the basic rights of the LGBT community, women, etc. This is concerning on so many levels.

I'm torn about it, because my whole thing right now is that President Trump represents every possible bad outcome up to and including an existential threat to humanity, in my view.

I know it sounds hyperbolic, but I actually think he's so erratic, so unpredictable and so narcissistic that he's completely disconnected from the real world results of his decisions. In other words, I think Mike Pence, or basically anyone else who might have decision making authority, would have a sense of awe and terror at the prospect that they might catastrophically screw up human existence on a total or near total scale. I don't think Trump has that kind of sense, that reality won't weigh on him.

I'm not saying I think there's a significant chance of an extinction event (though he has nukes, so it's not zero either), but what he does could end up seriously damaging our civilization, to a point where what life looks like doesn't much resemble what it looks like at the moment. People are currently failing to process that risk owing to a combination of normalcy bias, a lack of any frame of reference for how terrible things can become with a few major ill-considered decisions, and just not wanting to think about the prospect.

So while Pence is certain to be worse for some peoples' rights - gays and women among them - we're all likely to be alive at the end of the day. To reiterate the metaphor from that video I and Enoch Root posted earlier, if at the end of this Presidency, the plane is on the ground and we're all alive, that's enough for me; I don't care if I've got a concussion from hitting my head during the landing, or even broken an arm.

So if Pence wielding more influence gives us a better chance of walking away from this one, wounded or otherwise, I think the downsides just have to be borne, and fixed to the extent possible under the next President (or next Congress if anything can be done there in the interim).