Newsflash: Every political party uses people as pawns. Trump just won using rust belt voters as pawns, claiming he (and the GOP) care about workers despite a titanic amount of evidence that suggests they don't. The game is the game.
The game is the game indeed. But i think it's more acceptable on economic lines then on ethnic lines. It's not just whites hurt in the rust belt.
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Why would you want him removed? His speech was a little too real for people who prefer to only talk about this in an abstract sense?
Yeah, after all the talk on Tuesday night about CNN histrionics, I don't see that as one of the examples of it.
I can't speak as a minority since I'm a white dude, but I don't even know if Trump's words would have bothered me the most. What definitely would have bothered me the most is looking around and thinking that half of the country just doesn't even want you here.
So presumably these people who are in the streets are the same ones who were furious when Trump would not say he would accept the outcome of the election when asked a few weeks ago? Time for them to look in the mirror and move on.
They are not protesting that the election was rigged.
What are your thoughts on what might happen to the electric car industry? I haven't heard anything of what he would do, but given his pro-oil, ant-climate change stance, I would imagine he might try to eliminate subsidies. Without those, electric vehicles are a lot less attractive to consumers. Gas may also get cheaper with his polices. Could this be really bad for the electric car industry?
Automotive manufacturers still have to adhere to the EPA 2025 fuel economy standards so no this will not have an effect on the electric car industry or the current industry downsizing of engines.
So presumably these people who are in the streets are the same ones who were furious when Trump would not say he would accept the outcome of the election when asked a few weeks ago? Time for them to look in the mirror and move on.
Definitely agree with that. Everyone has the right to peaceful protest, but doing so now just looks like sour grapes. If they really cared about electoral reform, it would make way more sense to do protest before an election.
Had I a vote, I would have voted for Clinton. Having said that, I don't really see the popular vote being a huge issue. It is well understood that a candidate could be elected president with less of the popular vote.
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Yeah, after all the talk on Tuesday night about CNN histrionics, I don't see that as one of the examples of it.
I don't know why I've twice now ended up in the position of the guy trying to give a charitable interpretation to Girlysports's posts, but I don't think she was referring to that clip (correct me if I'm wrong).
That moment was Van Jones as Van Jones the guy, not the TV personality. As a cable news commentator, he normally plays a character that's a sort of exaggerated version of himself, and as such can say some pretty incendiary things. I think at that moment he was legitimately a bit stunned and very disappointed by what was happening, and so the TV personality armor faded a bit and we got an honest moment. Not unlike Rubio's post-concession conference in Florida being the best version of Rubio:
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Surprising lack of talk about the increase of White Supremacy incidents in the last day and a half. Shaun King's feed is pretty much an hour by hour ticket of reported incidents in the US right now. Hate is hip.
Over the last couple of days I've calmed down and tried to understand why people voted the way they did. The Michael Moore video describing how Trump was literally the only mainstream politician who even gave lip service to the rust belt I found very interesting and poignant. It provided me additional empathy for those people that voted for Trump.
However, those are not the people that were at the Trump rallies yelling "lock her up" or "execute her". Those are not the people who spew racist, xenophobic, sexist, vile, ignorant things.
Trump has given a mandate to these idiots, whether he meant to or not. Just like many on the right like to say that moderate Muslims should be standing up to extremists, moderate Trump supporters who aren't idiots but legitimately hurting need to stand up to these clowns.
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i didn't say i wanted him removed i was replying to the 'terrible folly of identity politics'. while he's on, it wont change.
it's fearmongering, Latinos and Muslims are not getting rounded up.
Trump has emboldened a dark fringe of society who feel they can now lash out at the others, never mind the prospect of mass deportations. He hasn't yet assumed the Presidency and basically has a blank cheque with a pliable Congress, I don't think anyone knows exactly what he's going to do at this point to completely discredit the concerns of minorities.
Look at the stock sectors that are up right now. Defense, pharma, private prisons. Look at what's down: Gun manufacturers, clean energy companies, tech stocks. Market knows best, and market has inside connections to both the Dems and GOP. I think the GOP has soothed their worries that this will be anything but a standard GOP President.
I think the "Trump Rally" has more to do with interest rates than anything. There's a much less chance of a rate hike in December now than when Clinton was polling ahead. And that has to do with the general thought that Trump is going to be problematic for the economy. Bad news is and has been for the last five years good news for the stock market via interest rates.
As well I think it was the uncertainty of everything that caused the pre election drop, like eight down days in a row. Just getting the uncertainty out of the equation is cause for much of the two day upside. We would have seen a bounce no matter who was elected. Markets hate uncertainty and if there had been a Bush/Gore'esque kerfuffel we may have seen a pretty good slide.
But I do love the vision of happy Trump voters scratching their heads while watching their Smith and Wesson stocks tank.
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The game is the game indeed. But i think it's more acceptable on economic lines then on ethnic lines. It's not just whites hurt in the rust belt.
I think they are both pretty awful and predatory on people's emotions and fears. But the day we see the most brutally honest candidate win an election will probably be around the time we see unicorns. Who is going into the rust belt and saying "Guys, if China is losing manufacturing jobs to automation and robotics....manufacturing is dead here. So we need a new approach"? Harsh and brutal, but true. But people don't like confront reality when it brings about the unknown.
The ethnic stuff as Corsi said has been on a platter for the Dems because of GOP policies, but they've become too dependent on it. Nice when your opponent hands you a big (and growing) block of voters, but you have these voters now. They aren't suddenly going to the GOP even if you scale back the identity politics. GOP has made it clear they don't value those votes like they should.
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I think the "Trump Rally" has more to do with interest rates than anything. There's a much less chance of a rate hike in December now than when Clinton was polling ahead. And that has to do with the general thought that Trump is going to be problematic for the economy. Bad news is and has been for the last five years good news for the stock market via interest rates.
As well I think it was the uncertainty of everything that caused the pre election drop, like eight down days in a row. Just getting the uncertainty out of the equation is cause for much of the two day upside. We would have seen a bounce no matter who was elected. Markets hate uncertainty and if there had been a Bush/Gore'esque kerfuffel we may have seen a pretty good slide.
But I do love the vision of happy Trump voters scratching their heads while watching their Smith and Wesson stocks tank.
Definitely on the interest rate hike. For Trump the possible instability with the market will only start to happen when we actually see policies. If he starts to buck from the standard GOP approach, then we'll see some wild market swings.
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Pretty much the same ridiculous crap we saw after Brexit. I would say a majority of his voters likely didn't vote for the racist crap, but a large part still did.
I'm curious to know if the uptick in this stuff in the UK continued or died out quickly.
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Over the last couple of days I've calmed down and tried to understand why people voted the way they did. The Michael Moore video describing how Trump was literally the only mainstream politician who even gave lip service to the rust belt I found very interesting and poignant. It provided me additional empathy for those people that voted for Trump.
However, those are not the people that were at the Trump rallies yelling "lock her up" or "execute her". Those are not the people who spew racist, xenophobic, sexist, vile, ignorant things.
Trump has given a mandate to these idiots, whether he meant to or not. Just like many on the right like to say that moderate Muslims should be standing up to extremists, moderate Trump supporters who aren't idiots but legitimately hurting need to stand up to these clowns.
More fearmongering. You guys realize the laws have not changed and that hate crimes today are tolerated no more than they were before the election. This immediate aftermath of the election is only a short term effect. It's not like a large portion of the US population that wasn't Aryan nations two days ago are all going to convert because Trump is president.
This kind of stuff is really disappointing to see, but it's been happening all election.
People are saying the polls may have been inaccurate due to the unexpected size the "secret Trump voter" block, but if I was a Trump supporter, I'd keep it secret too after seeing videos like this:
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I know I will probably be attacked for this. But anything I see on social media without video or pictures I take with a huge grain of salt. I personally think a lot of crap is just made up to get likes/comments/shares. Not saying a lot of stuff doesn't happen but I take social media crap with a grain of salt.
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