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Old 11-09-2016, 07:00 PM   #681
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I actually was thinking similar thoughts today, moreso about women.

During the campaign there seemed to be some good discussion around abuse going on.

Most people believe Trump did the things to women he bragged about. But they still voted for him. So the message to girls and women is if you're assaulted, don't bother reporting it because at best there'll be no consequences and more than likely you'll be called a liar, have your past behaviour put under a microscope, be threatened and vilified on social media, risk financial ruin by lawsuits, be objectified and belittled because you aren't even attractive enough to abuse in the first place... Just take the abuse.

It makes me want to cry, and I don't have to live it.
I think white chicks have a lot to answer for on that front. We could expect Trump to win white dudes as they were the only group he pandered to. That he also won white women is absolutely astonishing in the circumstances.
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Old 11-09-2016, 07:00 PM   #682
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See in a robot uprising 'good' and 'right' aren't subjective things to be agonized over and hoped about but are actual parameters and results of calculation that can be proven to be accurate.

Kill 50% humans = 50% reduction in CO2, stuff like that.

So much easier

In other news.. a new .gov website.

https://www.greatagain.gov/
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Old 11-09-2016, 07:01 PM   #683
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not really a riot. but fair, they are setting things on fire.
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I love the protestors to the democratically elected president.

Sounds like a bunch of sore losers.
Member when Trump was gonna cause civil unrest by not accepting the results, and in turn his supporters would cause trouble?

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not really a riot.
It's early.
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Old 11-09-2016, 07:02 PM   #686
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I love the protestors to the democratically elected president.

Sounds like a bunch of sore losers.
The great thing about a democracy is you're allowed to protest. How are they sore losers? There was a time when the government in America, not that long ago, set up a system where black people would get arrested and go to jail more often for petty crimes. And that government was democratically elected.

Protesting is the greatest thing about a democracy.
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Not protesting against a scum bag sexual assaulting, racist, sexist clown would be a black mark on democracy not the other way around.
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The great thing about a democracy is you're allowed to protest. How are they sore losers? There was a time when the government in America, not that long ago, set up a system where black people would get arrested and go to jail more often for petty crimes. And that government was democratically elected.

Protesting is the greatest thing about a democracy.
Smashing property and lighting stuff on fire is ok?

I only saw brief videos of it on twitter but doesn't seem like a good way to go about your business. Maybe try and make sure Trump knows he doesn't have the mandate to do what ever the hell he wants.
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So, what's on the table with a NAFTA renegotiation? Less access and more tariffs are a given but does anyone have thoughts on specifics? How bad could this be for Canada? Does anyone think our government has a plan?
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For me the most significant factor in a hypothetical Sanders Vs Trump scenario is that Trumps attacks at the Democratic labour base wouldn't have been nearly as successful if the Democrats also had a candidate pandering to them.

It really came down to Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, and Obama relied on that alliance of states to carry his presidency. Those voters may now be permanent red states, nullifying any slow gains made by the Dems in the American Southwest among latino voters.
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I love the protestors to the democratically elected president.

Sounds like a bunch of sore losers.
Calling protesters a bunch of sore losers is no different than disregarding and ignoring the voices of those who ended up voting for Trump.
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For me the most significant factor in a hypothetical Sanders Vs Trump scenario is that Trumps attacks at the Democratic labour base wouldn't have been nearly as successful if the Democrats also had a candidate pandering to them.

It really came down to Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, and Obama relied on that alliance of states to carry his presidency. Those voters may now be permanent red states, nullifying any slow gains made by the Dems in the American Southwest among latino voters.
But African American motivation would be even lower. He was crushed amount minorities. His primary numbers amount minorities were awful.
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Smashing property and lighting stuff on fire is ok?

I only saw brief videos of it on twitter but doesn't seem like a good way to go about your business. Maybe try and make sure Trump knows he doesn't have the mandate to do what ever the hell he wants.
Haven't watched the news and you said "protest" not "riot". Of course rioting isn't ok but that's not what you said.
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I'm starting to come around to this Clinton being the wrong candidate because she's so disliked. To me so much emphasis on it is just as silly as debates being a major criteria for choosing a president (or anything for that matter, debates are the worst venue for anything), I want to choose a candidate based on competency, policy, history, as well as communication skills.

But I'm far from a typical voter, and I understand that right or wrong it's the way the world works.

But I don't see how fighting populism with populism (by putting forward a populist liberal) in a country where the divide between the left right continues to widen is a good solution. Already the difference between left and right is less "my ideas differ from theirs" and more "if you're one of them you can't be one of us".

Being part of the rise of nationalistic xenophobic populism around the world doesn't seem like a good path forward.
Yup. If you worked in HR and you were hiring a president of a country, what would your criteria be?
-- Experience being a president or senior official
-- Experience in public service
-- Poised under immense scrutiny and pressure
-- Experience negotiating with opposition house officials to ensure bills get passed

And so fourth. The fact that she was first lady, currently married to a former president, a senior appointed official, an elected senator, and lawyer by trade makes her the most qualified candidate for an candidate who hasn't already served as president. And she lost to a guy who's flaws have been largely pointed out, and I didn't even know about the Twitter account.

I still believe the bulk of humanity are bigots, superficial, and/or unintelligent. Growing up in Alberta, we all knew those people who trashed native people, or hated French Canadians, or whoever else, and when its just you and that ballot, only God is your witness. Or how many people were honestly watching all the debates from both sides, following rallies, and analyzing which political spectrum they fall under, as opposed to just playing Pokemon and letting Facebook posts tell them who to vote for. How many people honestly vote for their best interests based on platforms, regardless of their own past political stances, and how many just vote their wing because of whatever ideology they created?

Occam's Razor my friends. A lot of people really do just want a wall to keep Mexicans out and to ban Muslims because their scared. A lot of people really do vote right just because of whatever reasons they have. And a lot of people don't stay informed, they just heard or know of one sticking point that they couldn't let go, like the email thing. The best one someone told me was that Hilary came out of a helicopter in Afgan and she said there was gunshots and cannons going off during an interview, but the footage showed that to be an exaggeration, hence he wouldn't have voted for her.

How can people explain Rob Ford? Rodrigo Duterte? Sarah Palin? Or any other unprofessional, unethical or otherwise clearly not qualified elected official. The voting population is people we all don't want to know, as well as the few we happen to know. The bigots, the dumb, the superficial.
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So, what's on the table with a NAFTA renegotiation? Less access and more tariffs are a given but does anyone have thoughts on specifics? How bad could this be for Canada? Does anyone think our government has a plan?
kick mexico out, it could be back to the 1988 Canada-Us free trade agreement
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Does saying bigoted things to get elected if you don't enact bigoted policies make you a bigot. I'm holding out hope that he just wanted to win.
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I think white chicks have a lot to answer for on that front. We could expect Trump to win white dudes as they were the only group he pandered to. That he also won white women is absolutely astonishing in the circumstances.
Trump is a polarizing figure among women. On the one hand his language and behaviour is obscene. On the other hand he has positioned his daughter (above his sons) to take over his empire and become one of the most powerful people in the world.
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Does saying bigoted things to get elected if you don't enact bigoted policies make you a bigot. I'm holding out hope that he just wanted to win.
Perhaps. But there are indicators that he stems from a racist background. Not renting to blacks in the 70's. Quotes about blacks being lazy and Jews handling his money.
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Trump is a polarizing figure among women. On the one hand his language and behaviour is obscene. On the other hand he has positioned his daughter (above his sons) to take over his empire and become one of the most powerful people in the world.
That's because he wants to bang her, if she wasn't his daughter of course. What a creep he is.
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