11-08-2016, 07:48 PM
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Crash and Bang Winger
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Toronto
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I wish he had produced results on the ice during this radio interview, rather than just talking.
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11-08-2016, 07:52 PM
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#22
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Medicine Hat, Alberta
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Originally Posted by getbak
I think you're misremembering things. The Flames had a great start under Sutter. They won 7 of their first 10 games and were fighting for first overall until early December.
All that while, Sutter kept complaining about how they were playing. Then, they finally started playing the way he wanted and the season turned to garbage.
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Thanks getbak...I am going by memory, which is not as good as it used to be.
I do remember a lot of promise and talk about success. Of course, there was no success as the Flames did not make the playoffs during his three years as coach.
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11-08-2016, 07:59 PM
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#23
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil
This interview and previous ones he speaks about how Benn finally picked up what he was preaching. Benn took off after he left so I don't know why he keeps mentioning it.
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Picking up what he's preaching doesn't necessarily equal "taking credit for how Benn turned out"
Just because your jumping to that doesn't mean it's what he's saying at all.
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11-08-2016, 08:05 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Quote:
Originally Posted by StAlbertFlame
Thanks getbak...I am going by memory, which is not as good as it used to be.
I do remember a lot of promise and talk about success. Of course, there was no success as the Flames did not make the playoffs during his three years as coach.
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No but the team was 90 points or better every season under him with a pretty flawed roster and they never played as bad as the team under Hartley or Gulutzan. If you never actually saw the records and went off CP's revisionist history you would think Brent's time here was the low point of the franchise's history but it's actually three of the more consistent seasons the team has put together in their history. They simply were never able to win the big games in March.
Last edited by Erick Estrada; 11-08-2016 at 08:07 PM.
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11-08-2016, 08:11 PM
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Needs More Cowbell
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Not Canada, Eh?
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
No but the team was 90 points or better every season under him with a pretty flawed roster and they never played as bad as the team under Hartley or Gulutzan. If you never actually saw the records and went off CP's revisionist history you would think Brent's time here was the low point of the franchise's history but it's actually three of the more consistent seasons the team has put together in their history. They simply were never able to win the big games in March.
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And yet Keenan got a similar roster to the post-season twice in two seasons.
No doubt that Brent Sutter had the wrong roster for his coaching style, but good coaches adapt. Keenan put that Iron Mike persona away.
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11-08-2016, 08:16 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cannon7
And yet Keenan got a similar roster to the post-season twice in two seasons.
No doubt that Brent Sutter had the wrong roster for his coaching style, but good coaches adapt. Keenan put that Iron Mike persona away.
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Keenan got Iginla and Kipper in more prime years and had a better roster although the roster in Sutter's first season looked good until Darryl went mad and made the Phaneuf trade which started a downturn in overall talent. Those teams under Brent really weren't great rosters but he got them to winning records every season. If Iginla would have bought in things could have been different but it was not to be.
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11-08-2016, 08:18 PM
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: Hmmmmmmm
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That's some revisionist history EE. Brent had a solid roster.
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11-08-2016, 08:22 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Quote:
Originally Posted by calgaryblood
That's some revisionist history EE. Brent had a solid roster.
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When Tangs and Jokinen are your 2nd and 3rd best scoring forwards you don't have a solid roster. Take a good look man those were not nearly as good of rosters as Keenan had.
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11-08-2016, 08:28 PM
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#29
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First Line Centre
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Some of you need to give it a rest
I like what he had to say, I trust they can figure it out this season
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11-08-2016, 08:30 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2015
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Edit: wrong thread
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11-08-2016, 08:34 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2015
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
When Tangs and Jokinen are your 2nd and 3rd best scoring forwards you don't have a solid roster. Take a good look man those were not nearly as good of rosters as Keenan had.
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What 2nd and 3rd best scoring forwards did Keenan have?
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11-08-2016, 08:41 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Vancouver
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Miikka Kiprusoff got those teams to the playoffs.
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11-08-2016, 08:51 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MattyC
Miikka Kiprusoff got those teams to the playoffs.
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Your memory is flawed. Kipper mostly sucked (relatively speaking) under Keenan.
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11-08-2016, 10:42 PM
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Seems like he doth protest too much about reading the media etc., tells me he is probably checking out his feedback.
I think he needs to make max 4 or 5 of those comments and keep the rest in the room. Those bullet points are more than what Darryl gave the media all season.
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11-08-2016, 10:45 PM
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Kind of reminds me of a guy in the corporate world who has an MBA and a pocket full of platitudes who Peter Principle'd himself into a job above his head.
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11-08-2016, 10:56 PM
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RANDOM USER TITLE CHANGE
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: South Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
No but the team was 90 points or better every season under him with a pretty flawed roster and they never played as bad as the team under Hartley or Gulutzan. If you never actually saw the records and went off CP's revisionist history you would think Brent's time here was the low point of the franchise's history but it's actually three of the more consistent seasons the team has put together in their history. They simply were never able to win the big games in March.
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Nope they lost 9 in a row and traded Phaneuf for scraps in January.
You've chosen the revisionist route. 'Member when they lost 9-0 to Boston with Bouw/Butler manning the top pairing duties?
None of those teams were playoff teams, with Kiprusoff.
Last edited by Frank MetaMusil; 11-08-2016 at 10:58 PM.
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11-08-2016, 11:31 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil
Nope they lost 9 in a row and traded Phaneuf for scraps in January.
You've chosen the revisionist route. 'Member when they lost 9-0 to Boston with Bouw/Butler manning the top pairing duties?
None of those teams were playoff teams, with Kiprusoff.
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Yep and he still managed to coach a team with that top pairing to a 90 point season. He almost made chicken salad out of chicken ####.
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11-08-2016, 11:43 PM
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RANDOM USER TITLE CHANGE
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: South Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
Yep and he still managed to coach a team with that top pairing to a 90 point season. He almost made chicken salad out of chicken ####.
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They are still separate seasons though. Brent had Phaneuf, Regehr, Bouwmeester, Giordano as his top 4. In their primes no less. And Kipper.
He was the consummate underachiever coach. Inherited a playoff team when he started coaching. At least Gulutzan has that point in his favor.
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11-08-2016, 11:49 PM
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#39
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
Yep and he still managed to coach a team with that top pairing to a 90 point season. He almost made chicken salad out of chicken ####.
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Meh, he tried to make Shepherds Pie out of a group of turkeys. That's not shepherd pie, that's a cottage pie. He tried to coach them like it was a group of lambs. Brent may be a good coach, but he wasn't a good coach for the group of guys that we had at that time. Consistently missing the PO's should not be used as a model to learn from.
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11-09-2016, 12:42 AM
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I believe in the Jays.
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That's some kinda revisionist history on Butters tenure. Butter coached like he had the team that he wanted to have rather then the one that he did.
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