11-08-2016, 10:27 AM
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This was always clearly a LTIR move, I'm not sure what the big deal is/was. They probably had to give him a few games to actually get him to sign the contract in the first place. As well, the NHL probably looks at these things to to ensure teams aren't trying to circumvent the cap. Probably had to play him a little bit so the move wasn't too transparent.
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11-08-2016, 10:28 AM
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#43
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Da_Chief
Finally...now that Grossman is gone, PP will be amazing, PK will stop teams, Bennett will stop taking dumb penalties, Brodie will start making smart plays, Gaudreau will start to pass the puck, Monahan will get his scoring ability back, Elliott/Johnson will make timely saves, Giordano will hit the net with his shot...lets all rejoice!
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... McDavid won't get 4+ breakaways vs the Flames.
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11-08-2016, 10:28 AM
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#44
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by bubbsy
if (lol) he clears, how much does his salary affect the team's cap?
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nothing at all
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11-08-2016, 10:29 AM
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#45
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Join Date: Jan 2010
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Originally Posted by CroFlames
I'm clueless because I didn't think Grossman deserved even the league min? Guess what? The GM agrees with me because he just waived him.
I'm arguing that the GM made a mistake signing him in the first place. The GM has now realized his mistake and cut him.
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I'm with you. It was a useless PTO and signing. If he wasn't available for Gulutzan to use, problem solved. It's not really a chicken/egg scenario, he didn't belong on the opening day roster and somehow ended up there.
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11-08-2016, 10:29 AM
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#46
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by TheoFleury
This was always clearly a LTIR move, I'm not sure what the big deal is/was. They probably had to give him a few games to actually get him to sign the contract in the first place. As well, the NHL probably looks at these things to to ensure teams aren't trying to circumvent the cap. Probably had to play him a little bit so the move wasn't too transparent.
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I could see them having a handshake agreement to get some games in like they did with Backstrom.
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11-08-2016, 10:31 AM
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#47
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil
I'm with you. It was a useless PTO and signing. If he wasn't available for Gulutzan to use, problem solved. It's not really a chicken/egg scenario, he didn't belong on the opening day roster and somehow ended up there.
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The signing was very specific and had to do with maximizing LTIR room from Smid.
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11-08-2016, 10:31 AM
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#48
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CroFlames
I'm clueless because I didn't think Grossman deserved even the league min? Guess what? The GM agrees with me because he just waived him.
I'm arguing that the GM made a mistake signing him in the first place. The GM has now realized his mistake and cut him.
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It's your "black mark" comment that people are disputing. Every team has contracts like Grossman that eventually go through waivers . There would be no waivers if there wasn't. If this is a black mark on Flames gm, then every other GM in the league has the same black mark.
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11-08-2016, 10:32 AM
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#49
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bubbsy
if (lol) he clears, how much does his salary affect the team's cap?
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It goes down $575,000. It will still be over the cap, so Smid's LTIR space will still be available.
It will also open another spot on the 23 man roster (which is currently at 22 with Bouma and Versteeg on IR). We'll almost certainly see one forward recalled tomorrow. I suspect we'll see two.
If I were to guess, I'd say we'll see Hathaway and Vey recalled, but I also wouldn't be surprised if Klimchuk or Jankowski get the call.
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11-08-2016, 10:33 AM
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#50
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#1 Goaltender
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CroFlames
I'm clueless because I didn't think Grossman deserved even the league min? Guess what? The GM agrees with me because he just waived him.
I'm arguing that the GM made a mistake signing him in the first place. The GM has now realized his mistake and cut him.
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Did you read my post? Your comment makes you appear clueless and guess what? You still are. Grossmann wasn't even a hockey signing. It was a technicality to get the max cap relief from LTIR. He was nothing but a pawn the entire time. If we didn't have the Smid situation Treliving never would have signed him.
It's on Gulutzan for actually giving him icetime.
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11-08-2016, 10:36 AM
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#51
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Robbob
nothing at all
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what does that mean? Will his NHL salary still be counted against the team's cap, or will it be at some reduced rate?
If i recall the rule changes made, despite being waived and sent down, his full salary will be counted against the cap.
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11-08-2016, 10:37 AM
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Calgary
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I get why they signed him. If you look at defensemen in Stockton who could see NHL time this year you have 5 players your looking at. Wotherspoon, Kylington, Andersson, Morrison and Culkin. It's good depth but none of those guys is a true physical defensive defender. Wotherspoon has potential but hasn't shown it at the NHL level yet, so BT signs Grossman, who fills a depth role and checks some boxes that are missing organizationally.
Where the disconnect for me comes in is having him make the team out of camp. He clearly showed he wouldn't be able to handle regular minutes at the NHL level during the preseason. And to have him play over Jokipakka and Kulak at any point this season is just outrageous. Not that either of those 2 has set the NHL on fire, but they are clearly miles ahead of Grossman.
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11-08-2016, 10:37 AM
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#53
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Calgary
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I still don't understand why he was signed to a one-way.
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11-08-2016, 10:38 AM
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#54
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by bubbsy
what does that mean? Will his NHL salary still be counted against the team's cap, or will it be at some reduced rate?
If i recall the rule changes made, despite being waived and sent down, his full salary will be counted against the cap.
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His contract is fully buriable in Stockton. None of his salary will count against the cap should he be assigned.
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11-08-2016, 10:39 AM
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#55
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by getbak
It goes down $575,000. It will still be over the cap, so Smid's LTIR space will still be available.
It will also open another spot on the 23 man roster (which is currently at 22 with Bouma and Versteeg on IR). We'll almost certainly see one forward recalled tomorrow. I suspect we'll see two.
If I were to guess, I'd say we'll see Hathaway and Vey recalled, but I also wouldn't be surprised if Klimchuk or Jankowski get the call.
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You can bury up to 950k. His contract is less than that so sending will not result in a cap hit going forward.
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11-08-2016, 10:39 AM
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#56
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by GranteedEV
I still don't understand why he was signed to a one-way.
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To get the max cap relief from Smid being on LTIR
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11-08-2016, 10:39 AM
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#57
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Boca Raton, FL
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I get the logistics of signing Grossmann for maximizing cap purposes, but why the hell did we let him play? Perhaps Treliving should have told Gulutzan to staple his ass into the press box. I can't even fathom how he got another game after the Edmonton one. Keegan Kanzig would have done better, and he's in the ECHL.
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11-08-2016, 10:40 AM
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#58
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bax
To get the max cap relief from Smid being on LTIR
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How is that different from signing him to a two-way?
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11-08-2016, 10:40 AM
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#59
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First Line Centre
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Iīd get signing Grossman if we ran into some injuries on the backend, but not at camp. And itīs not even because he had a mediocre camp. Why not let one of the kids prove they can/canīt hack it before signing a guy like this. Would Wotherspoon really have been much worse or given up the puck more?
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11-08-2016, 10:40 AM
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#60
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bubbsy
what does that mean? Will his NHL salary still be counted against the team's cap, or will it be at some reduced rate?
If i recall the rule changes made, despite being waived and sent down, his full salary will be counted against the cap.
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