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vennegoor of hesselink · 10-23-2016, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by jg13

Would love to take a run at Ralph Krueger if he was willing.

Krueger has 3 more seasons left on his contract at Southampton. it might take a lot for him to leave right now.

jg13 · 10-23-2016, 12:16 AM

Yeesh. Just saw Gaudreau and Monahan were on for all Even Strength GA and on for none of our goals.

-4 each.

mrdonkey · 10-23-2016, 12:16 AM

Does anyone know if Nolan Patrick can play RW?

Bear · 10-23-2016, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by mrdonkey

Does anyone know if Nolan Patrick can play RW?

If he's capable of any top 6 role he'll have no problems making our roster.

Beninho · 10-23-2016, 12:21 AM

I'm not gonna lie, I'm very worried with the direction of this team. This was supposed to be the year that this team actually looks like a team that could make the playoffs for the next 5-10 years. They look like a team that is just starting their rebuild which is terrible because this team actually has a core that is signed long term. I hope some of the Stockton boys come up, would love to see Janko get a solid look

dirk diggler · 10-23-2016, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Bear

If he's capable of any top 6 role he'll have no problems making our roster.

good chance he could step in and play d on this team as well

FFR · 10-23-2016, 12:22 AM

Apparently I'm in the minority here based on the game thread but I actually thought Bennett was one of the Flames' best players tonight. 5 hits, 2 assists, over 50% on the face off dot, and a plus player in a losing game is pretty good, IMO. He's also taking a lot harder match ups this year. Do I think he needs to be better? Absolutey. But tonight was a good step forward.

Cecil Terwilliger · 10-23-2016, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by killer_carlson

When it is all of your skill players demonstrating the same problem, you have to question the instruction.

This reminds me of when the Oilers under Eakins were really winning the Corsi battle out there, but getting hammered during the games. Taylor Hall would float a long wrister on net from outside the blueline rather than chipping the puck into the corner and letting his linemates try to win a battle. But hey, the Corsi was great.

The problem with the advanced stat guys is that they are so focused on a system that they forget that the stats are based on the assumption that players are trying to score goals. When you change that focus to priortize scoring Corsi, the whole scheme falls flat.

Yeah but the idea that our entire coaching regime are like groot except they just say corsi is silly. That's clearly not the case.

Corsi also has nothing to do with many of the other problems I pointed out. In fact that was really the whole point of my post.

System or not, there are player problems that are quite evident. No system in the world is going to hide those warts.

Now, is the systems issues compounding the problems? Maybe. But it's a cop out to say this is all coaching. Takes all the responsibility off the players.

killer_carlson · 10-23-2016, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by mrdonkey

Does anyone know if Nolan Patrick can play RW?

For the first time in my life I have actually looked at the early season prospect lists to see if there is help available at the top of the draft, for the Flames.

Sadly there doesn't look to be a RW in the top 10, save 1, who is listed at 5'9"

Patrick is apparently a "franchise center"

Beninho · 10-23-2016, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by FFR

Apparently I'm in the minority here based on the game thread but I actually thought Bennett was one of the Flames' best players tonight. 5 hits, 2 assists, and a plus player in a losing game is pretty good, IMO. He's also taking a lot harder match ups this year. Do I think he needs to be better? Absolutey. But tonight was a good step forward.

I agree, he looked a lot better tonigbt with 2 assists and is looking good on the face offs. Would love to see him make some smarter plays, seems as if he's forcing everything and trying to do to much. He needs to simplify his game a bit more and just play his game

Beninho · 10-23-2016, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by killer_carlson

For the first time in my life I have actually looked at the early season prospect lists to see if there is help available at the top of the draft, for the Flames.

Sadly there doesn't look to be a RW in the top 10, save 1, who is listed at 5'9"

Patrick is apparently a "franchise center"

Unfortunately I have done the same thing. Wouldn't even be mad if they got the top rated D man who is supposed to be a stud. This teams defense right now is soft as butter on the boards

killer_carlson · 10-23-2016, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Yeah but the idea that our entire coaching regime are like groot except they just say corsi is silly. That's clearly not the case.

Corsi also has nothing to do with many of the other problems I pointed out. In fact that was really the whole point of my post.

System or not, there are player problems that are quite evident. No system in the world is going to hide those warts.

Now, is the systems issues compounding the problems? Maybe. But it's a cop out to say this is all coaching. Takes all the responsibility off the players.

Nope. Too many key guys showing the same problems. Player utilization falls to the coach. The best players are out of sync and trying too hard. Not being utilized properly. Special teams are terrible. Faceoffs are terrible. Each game the mid-game adjustments have favored our opponents rather than the good guys.

Coaching affects all of that. Blaming the players is letting the coach and GM off easy.

Samonadreau · 10-23-2016, 12:29 AM

Hard to split up that Versteeg
-Bennett-Brouwer line after tonight but another game or two of lifeless Monahan and I would try Gaudreau with Bennett and Brouwer. Bennett hasn't been perfect but at least he is moving his feet and creating space.

topfiverecords · 10-23-2016, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by killer_carlson

For the first time in my life I have actually looked at the early season prospect lists to see if there is help available at the top of the draft, for the Flames.

Sadly there doesn't look to be a RW in the top 10, save 1, who is listed at 5'9"

Patrick is apparently a "franchise center"

That's fine, I think we should move Monahan to the wing. Wouldn't be opposed to trying it now if we had another line one ready center.

Beninho · 10-23-2016, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by topfiverecords

That's fine, I think we should move Monahan to the wing. Wouldn't be opposed to trying it now if we had another line one ready center.

Monahan is in no way a winger, especially in today's NHL.

Cecil Terwilliger · 10-23-2016, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by killer_carlson

Nope. Too many key guys showing the same problems. Player utilization falls to the coach. The best players are out of sync and trying too hard. Not being utilized properly. Special teams are terrible. Faceoffs are terrible. Each game the mid-game adjustments have favored our opponents rather than the good guys.

Coaching affects all of that. Blaming the players is letting the coach and GM off easy.

So as long as everyone sucks it must be the coach? You didn't even give any details. Just vague descriptions of things that sound like they are the coach. Except face offs. But that's not really a systems issue.

VladtheImpaler · 10-23-2016, 12:32 AM

Look on the the bright side - only about 15 more games until "Zheleznyi" Mike rides to the rescue.

FiveSeven · 10-23-2016, 12:34 AM

Players not being utilized properly?
He puts them on the ice, and they play bad.
I don't know of ANYTHING a coach could do to make players...
Miss easy passes, bobble passes, throw blind passes at the sight of pressure.

I do think the coaches have some blame but the players take more of it imo.
If they don't turn it around though it's probably 40/60 whether we fire this season or wait.

Beninho · 10-23-2016, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Samonadreau

Hard to split up that Versteeg
-Bennett-Brouwer line after tonight but another game or two of lifeless Monahan and I would try Gaudreau with Bennett and Brouwer. Bennett hasn't been perfect but at least he is moving his feet and creating space.

Got to think Gaudreau has to line up with Bennett a little big going forward. Monahan just isn't making anything happen and teams are just focusing on Johnny. We all know the player Monahan is and I'm not expecting him to blow past people but he needs to show a lot more determination on the boards and needs to start winning many more puck battles.

Beninho · 10-23-2016, 12:37 AM

Hopefully teams aren't watching wideman play and just see that he's a PPG player lol