[Signing] Gaudreau re-signs (6 yrs, $6.75 mil AAV) - Page 28 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

Jay Random · 10-11-2016, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

Regardless, I'd say 6.75 is a not where I'd draw the line for elite players. In this case I do believe it cost us 2 years of Johnny, which is a lot considering that's his entire career to date.

How terribly unfortunate it is that the CBA does not allow a team to re-sign a player after he reaches UFA age.

Oh, wait…

Rhettzky · 10-11-2016, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

Wasn't it reported earlier in this thread that they didn't want to go over Gio's 6.75?

Regardless, I'd say 6.75 is a not where I'd draw the line for elite players. In this case I do believe it cost us 2 years of Johnny, which is a lot considering that's his entire career to date.

Yeah, but we get all of his best years for a bargain and we can make a decision if we want to overpay for his later years or trade him.

Alberta_Beef · 10-11-2016, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

Wasn't it reported earlier in this thread that they didn't want to go over Gio's 6.75?

Regardless, I'd say 6.75 is a not where I'd draw the line for elite players. In this case I do believe it cost us 2 years of Johnny, which is a lot considering that's his entire career to date.

It was said by an extremely unreliable reporter and parroted by a couple others.

CliffFletcher · 10-11-2016, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Yes Cliff, I am well aware that you are always open to discussion, but only if the viewpoints agree with yours. I am also aware, however, that Jiri can handle a discussion that challenges his position.

Yeah, just look at all those posts where I tell people they're everything that's wrong with modern fans.

There's a difference between rigorously asserting your own opinion, and telling other posters what sorts of opinions are valid.

FlamesAddiction · 10-11-2016, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Jay Random

How terribly unfortunate it is that the CBA does not allow a team to re-sign a player after he reaches UFA age.

Oh, wait…

Exactly, we will still have first crack at negotiating an extension with him. It will likely be expensive, but we can only worry about one season at a time. I don't see why people just can't be happy with 6 years at a reasonable AAV.

Murph · 10-11-2016, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

It was said by an extremely unreliable reporter and parroted by a couple others.

Bob Mackenzie is unreliable now?

Hockeyguy15 · 10-11-2016, 07:29 AM

This thread is a perfect example of why we can't have nice things.

madmike · 10-11-2016, 07:31 AM

I would have preferred a year or two more, but ultimately this deal is ok. If the Flames are a contender and Johnny is still playing like he is now, then I could see him re-signing for $8-9 million a year when this contract is done.

Alberta_Beef · 10-11-2016, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Murph

Bob Mackenzie is unreliable now?

McKenzie cited Francis when he mentioned the Gio cap.

MrMastodonFarm · 10-11-2016, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

This thread is a perfect example of why we can't have nice things.

IIRC it was Roger Million who first brought up the idea that the Flames didn't want to go beyond Giordano money.

Murph · 10-11-2016, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

McKenzie cited Francis when he mentioned the Gio cap.

OK.

There is also reference to it from Seravalli (who Bobby Mac also retweeted).

http://www.tsn.ca/gaudreau-flames-si...-deal-1.582739

EDIT: In fact, they interview MacKenzie in the video in that link and he flat out states that the Flames didn't want to go above Gio's $6.75M

Stealth22 · 10-11-2016, 07:45 AM

Did anyone catch this interview?

https://twitter.com/BoomerAndRhett/s...534419456?s=09

Hot_Flatus · 10-11-2016, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

IIRC it was Roger Million who first brought up the idea that the Flames didn't want to go beyond Giordano money.

If true, this is a pretty antiquated method of dealing with a team's financial structure. There's not a lot to dislike with this deal as the AAV is terrific, however, moving forward what is the method to the madness going to be? Is the team now going to adhere to a self imposed Guadreau cap even if the salary cap rises another 15 million dollars?

At some point talent is not going to stick around under an organizational philosophy like this and I'm not sure we see Guardreau in a Flames jersey much more than 5-6 seasons unless the team changes its stance. We as fans, could have been guaranteed another 2 years of his services with a little more flexibility.

Gaudreauvertime · 10-11-2016, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Rhettzky

Yeah, but we get all of his best years for a bargain and we can make a decision if we want to overpay for his later years or trade him.

I agree, that's why I like the deal. Is it perfect? Frequitude (I believe) and I had a discussion on the 6 year term option earlier and it made a lot of sense. It really boils down to what type of player you think Johnny is and will be.

I am of the mind that 7.5M for a PPG winger is good value in today's league, and would look like an absolute steal in 7-8 years, especially if he continues to improve and helps to win us a cup or wins some scoring titles. However, if we use that extra 750k judiciously to build a cup winner in the next 6 years, I'm all for it.

Point is, we did lose certainty here. In 6 years, we can attempt to outbid the market and hope he doesn't want to go back east. But there's a likelihood that in 6 years he'll be asking 10.5M+, and even if we match that it might not be enough.

MrMastodonFarm · 10-11-2016, 07:54 AM

Giordano doesn't have a contract in perpetuity, it's done in six years, same as Gaudreau. Obviously management will cross these bridges as they get to them but I can't see Bennett or Tkachuk commanding as big of a deal as Gaudreau got either.

Right now it's a great negotiation tactic that worked.

Poe969 · 10-11-2016, 07:55 AM

How the hell can you say the Flames did lose certainty? They have Johnny for 6 years and can re-sign him if he wants to stay or they can trade him. Signing any player for 8 years is more of a gamble IMO. Who's to say that Johnny doesn't completely drop off with his production?

This deal is amazing, Johnny is a pretty great player and they have him at a great cap hit.

Hockeyguy15 · 10-11-2016, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

Point is, we did lose certainty here. In 6 years, we can attempt to outbid the market and hope he doesn't want to go back east. But there's a likelihood that in 6 years he'll be asking 10.5M+, and even if we match that it might not be enough.

There is no such thing as certainty, we don't know what will happen in 6, 7, or 8 years.

Look at Crosby having concussion issues as an example. You're only saying we lost certainty with this deal because it fits your narrative.

Azhouse · 10-11-2016, 07:58 AM

Who cares? I am looking forward to Johnny (and Gio for the next 6 years). Was there this much hand wringing when Jarome used to sign for 3-4 years at a time?

PsYcNeT · 10-11-2016, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Azhouse

Who cares? I am looking forward to Johnny (and Gio for the next 6 years). Was there this much hand wringing when Jarome used to sign for 3-4 years at a time?

I think you know the answer to that.

mots · 10-11-2016, 08:14 AM

JG 6 years @ $40.5M
Tarasenko is 8 years @$60M

IF Johnny got the Tarasenko deal:

-$6.75M per year for first 6 years
-$9.75M per year for year 7 and year 8

Not sure I would do that deal, as there is a risk of something going off the tracks - Dion went off the rails after the big signing (not same player, not same situation, but sometime growth stagnates). $9.75 for a player is a LOT of money.