If it does go past the start of the season it probably wouldn't be the first time an agent/player waited to see how the team does to start the season to try and add more leverage.
It will become a numbers game at that point as well, if the flames are offering $7M/year, each game he sits will cost him $85k, if he sits out for 10 games it will have cost him $850k which if he ends up with an 8 year deal he will need to have gotten and extra $107k per season to make up. If he sits 20 games he needs to get at least $7.21M/season on an 8 year deal to break even on that loss. Gaudreau has no rights so he is trying to use what little leverage he has to get the best deal possible, but I doubt he can't figure out the math, and even if the agent isn't telling him, I'm sure the team has.
Even if he were to end up with an 8 year 7.5M/season contract he would be throwing away huge dollars to not even make that actually 7.5M/season since he would have lost 0.1M/year up front missing 10 games. It doesn't make sense to lose that kind of money upfront to gamble at the opportunity to make a little bit more. The flames could dig their heels in and wait him out and he could come out losing, Johnny knows this, and so does his agent, who say what you will about him he doesn't want to lose this client so he will not put him in a position to come out losing.
All that being said we don't really know all the numbers or where both sides are at so it could be a totally different story if the the flames are offering $6M/season and he wants $7.5M. I still believe this gets done before the start of the season.
I am not sure how NK negotiations intensifying is good news for us. Different management, different teams, different agents, different RFA rights. I don't see that as having anything to do with our situation.
It could be a domino that needs to fall. Depending on the deal he signs will dictate whether it's good news for JGs camp, or the Flames. But either way, it's a very usable comparable that could help speed things up, unless it's a bridge, and the two sides are still trying to land long term.
Such a weird situation to have such a prolific player with so little contract status leverage, even for a RFA. He can't even leverage an offer sheet. I know short term deals are options, but this has to be overly complicating the negotiations. Johnny's camp asking to be treated as a standard RFA, Flames looking to leverage the contract status advantage.
Given this is the case, I still maintain Gaudreau's best leverage point is a slow start for the Flames with him MIA. I'm not sure his position weakens that much even if the Flames come out red hot (sorry). Given that's the case, I fully suspect JG to wait and see how we start the year, hope I'm wrong, but that's my thoughts.
The distressing logical conclusion of this is you'll have our star player at home hoping the team is struggling to score, is playing poorly, and is ultimately losing to the likes of the Oilers and Canucks early in the season.
The outcome of this contract could really play a big part in the next CBA negotiations as well. If one of the best players in the league is getting being put in a position where he has almost no choice but to accept the team's offer or sit out, even if the offer is way below what comparable players are making, no matter what the reason, the NHLPA will rally around something like this big time.
The distressing logical conclusion of this is you'll have our star player at home hoping the team is struggling to score, is playing poorly, and is ultimately losing to the likes of the Oilers and Canucks early in the season.
Didn't say I liked it, just said it is what it is.
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The outcome of this contract could really play a big part in the next CBA negotiations as well. If one of the best players in the league is getting being put in a position where he has almost no choice but to accept the team's offer or sit out, even if the offer is way below what comparable players are making, no matter what the reason, the NHLPA will rally around something like this big time.
Future college players may not be so eager to burn off that first year but I can't see the NHLPA making this an issue. Something has to constitute an accrued season and that is 10 games, which is basically nothing as it is, I can't see them making that even easier. Also, the NHL won't be keen on giving second year players tons of rights and the NHLPA has never been interested with the 'plight' of the younger players anyway, certainly not over something that affects a tiny fraction of the membership. Maybe the NHLPA use it as a bargaining chip, but that's about it.
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I don't know if they ever were, but no, they're paid for every day spent on an NHL roster during the regular season.
A player's annual NHL salary is divided by the number of days in the regular season (this year, it's 180, most year's it's 185-187) to calculate his daily salary. For every day he's on an NHL roster, he gets one day's pay.
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Future college players may not be so eager to burn off that first year but I can't see the NHLPA making this an issue. Something has to constitute an accrued season and that is 10 games, which is basically nothing as it is, I can't see them making that even easier. Also, the NHL won't be keen on giving second year players tons of rights and the NHLPA has never been interested with the 'plight' of the younger players anyway, certainly not over something that affects a tiny fraction of the membership. Maybe the NHLPA use it as a bargaining chip, but that's about it.
I think with the league getting younger and younger early contracts and RFA rights are going to become a bigger and bigger issue for the PA. By the time this CBA expires, the average age of the NHLPA members will probably be significantly younger than the last round of bargaining. But this is probably a topic best discussed in another thread.
I don't know if they ever were, but no, they're paid for every day spent on an NHL roster during the regular season.
A player's annual NHL salary is divided by the number of days in the regular season (this year, it's 180, most year's it's 185-187) to calculate his daily salary. For every day he's on an NHL roster, he gets one day's pay.
I'm not disagreeing with you, but do you know how they work out what suspensions cost a player? In the news they always seems to explain it as the lost X amount of dollars for each game, unless the still get paid for the non game days. Either way the point about him needing to make up the money he loses by sitting is still valid, albeit at a different rate of loss. I think he actually stands to lose a lot more quickly in this case, so that should work in the flames' favour.
I'm not disagreeing with you, but do you know how they work out what suspensions cost a player? In the news they always seems to explain it as the lost X amount of dollars for each game, unless the still get paid for the non game days. Either way the point about him needing to make up the money he loses by sitting is still valid, albeit at a different rate of loss. I think he actually stands to lose a lot more quickly, so that should work in the flames' favour.
For suspensions, it depends on if the suspendee is a repeat offender.
For non repeat offenders, if they're suspended for X games, they lose X days of pay.
For repeat offenders, they get suspended for X games, they lose pay as though they are off the roster for the next X amount of games. So they'll lose pay until they're eligible to return. Usually games are two days apart, so they'll end up forfeiting ~2x days of pay.
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wow - people really don't think the team can win without Gaudreau? You think the players have no pride, that they're going to sit in the dressing room crying because they don't have Johnny? The Flames are a young, up & coming team, with or without Gaudreau. Give the players some credit. If anything, this will probably fuel them.
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