10-10-2016, 02:20 PM
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#1861
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Flames fan in Seattle
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I can't believe we are going to start the season without Johnny. What a clusterf&$%.
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10-10-2016, 02:24 PM
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#1862
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Self-Suspension
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What'd we start like 2-9 last year? Historically bad goaltending, Brodie was hurt, worst pk, nearly the worst pp. Don't see how we can have a worse start than last year.
Last edited by AcGold; 10-10-2016 at 02:37 PM.
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10-10-2016, 02:24 PM
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#1863
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FBI
I can't believe we are going to start the season without Johnny. What a clusterf&$%.
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While I actually believe we will start the season without Johnny, this seems like more of a Wednesday post.
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10-10-2016, 02:36 PM
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#1864
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Flames fan in Seattle
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle
While I actually believe we will start the season without Johnny, this seems like more of a Wednesday post.
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True. Will repost on Wednesday. Hoping for a miracle but I'm pissed.
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10-10-2016, 02:36 PM
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#1865
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One of the Nine
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AcGold
What'd we start like 2-9 last year? Historically bad goaltending, Brodie hers hurt, worst pk, nearly the worst pp. Don't see how we can have a worse start than last year.
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Banhammer!
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10-10-2016, 02:36 PM
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#1866
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Taking a while to get to 5000
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Still hoping for the best. Still advocate relaxing.
That being said, the start of this season is such a gift as far as the opposition goes that it would be a shame to not have the full squad.
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10-10-2016, 02:45 PM
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#1867
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by calgaryblood
Considering they didn't take for like 3 weeks I'm not sure it is obvious at this point.
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Well for one it depends on who you think was telling the truth. Gross said that, Conroy said they were talking daily. The pressure point is that the season starts Wednesday. JG is not going to want to miss any games, Flames management and ownership will want a strong start to the year so I can't see any way they are not negotiating right now.
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10-10-2016, 02:45 PM
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#1868
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The new goggles also do nothing.
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Calgary
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If it does go past the start of the season it probably wouldn't be the first time an agent/player waited to see how the team does to start the season to try and add more leverage.
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10-10-2016, 02:48 PM
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#1869
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In the Sin Bin
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Originally Posted by dissentowner
Well for one it depends on who you think was telling the truth. Gross said that, Conroy said they were talking daily. The pressure point is that the season starts Wednesday. JG is not going to want to miss any games, Flames management and ownership will want a strong start to the year so I can't see any way they are not negotiating right now.
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If they are at a true impasse, I could see them not talking right now. Both sides might be waiting for the other.
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10-10-2016, 02:48 PM
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#1870
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Franchise Player
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Such a weird situation to have such a prolific player with so little contract status leverage, even for a RFA. He can't even leverage an offer sheet. I know short term deals are options, but this has to be overly complicating the negotiations. Johnny's camp asking to be treated as a standard RFA, Flames looking to leverage the contract status advantage.
Given this is the case, I still maintain Gaudreau's best leverage point is a slow start for the Flames with him MIA. I'm not sure his position weakens that much even if the Flames come out red hot (sorry). Given that's the case, I fully suspect JG to wait and see how we start the year, hope I'm wrong, but that's my thoughts.
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10-10-2016, 02:50 PM
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#1871
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Franchise Player
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if the Flames have a start like last year the season is over anyway...so it may be leverage for JG at first but it could totally backfire. This is a league where if you miss the playoffs, the worse you do the better
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10-10-2016, 02:57 PM
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#1872
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: CGY
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If Elliott stands on his head through the weekednabd Bennett, Minahan etc carry the offense and the Flames go 3-0 without Johnny not only is he losing money he is losing what leverage he thinks he has
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10-10-2016, 02:58 PM
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#1873
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Negotiations intensifying between TB and Nikita Kucherov. Not yet a "done deal," but it's likely Kucherov will be in TB opener on Thurs.
— Bob McKenzie (@TSNBobMcKenzie) October 10, 2016
Could be a comparable to JG. This is good news!
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10-10-2016, 03:00 PM
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#1874
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: ...the bench
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unless it's a bridge deal....
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10-10-2016, 03:01 PM
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#1875
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Franchise Player
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The max Johnny will lose by signing Dec 1st, is $250k
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10-10-2016, 03:02 PM
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#1876
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: CGY
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jiggy
Negotiations intensifying between TB and Nikita Kucherov. Not yet a "done deal," but it's likely Kucherov will be in TB opener on Thurs.
— Bob McKenzie (@TSNBobMcKenzie) October 10, 2016
Could be a comparable to JG. This is good news!
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Probably not. It's believed that Kucherov may take a bridge deal from TB.
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10-10-2016, 03:02 PM
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#1877
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jiggy
Negotiations intensifying between TB and Nikita Kucherov. Not yet a "done deal," but it's likely Kucherov will be in TB opener on Thurs.
— Bob McKenzie (@TSNBobMcKenzie) October 10, 2016
Could be a comparable to JG. This is good news!
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I am not sure how NK negotiations intensifying is good news for us. Different management, different teams, different agents, different RFA rights. I don't see that as having anything to do with our situation.
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10-10-2016, 03:03 PM
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#1878
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cam_wmh
The max Johnny will lose by signing Dec 1st, is $250k
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Are we ignoring the salary he'd lose and never be able to recoup?
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterJoji
Johnny eats garbage and isn’t 100% committed.
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10-10-2016, 03:03 PM
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#1879
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dino7c
if the Flames have a start like last year the season is over anyway...so it may be leverage for JG at first but it could totally backfire. This is a league where if you miss the playoffs, the worse you do the better
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I don't there is much relevance to how much they'll be will to sign JG for to whether or not the make the playoffs this year or not, especially if it's a long term deal. I don't think JG hurts his value at all if the Flames are already out of it 10 games in, just helps highlight his long term importance,
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10-10-2016, 03:04 PM
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#1880
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Scoring Winger
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I can't wait for Johnny to sign and for us to just focus on on-ice stuff again.
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