[Rumour] McKenzie: Gaudreau & Flames are closing gap, but it's still a considerable gap.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Azure

I hope he is signed soon before everyone has a meltdown.

Kinda too late I think

[wwkayaker]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

I don't get why this is rubbing people the wrong way. It's a kid negotiating the deal of his life and both sides are grinding. It really is nothing personal, even if he sits out. This is business and this is how deals go sometimes, it's not a big deal.

He will sign eventually because sitting out a year makes zero sense for him. I wouldn't stress about it.

It is rubbing people wrong because Gaudreau is a huge part of our offence. Without him, the wins will be tougher to come by and, in turn, the playoff hopes will also dwindle. So, him in the lineup ready to go is important!

[J pold]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

I don't get why this is rubbing people the wrong way. It's a kid negotiating the deal of his life and both sides are grinding. It really is nothing personal, even if he sits out. This is business and this is how deals go sometimes, it's not a big deal.

He will sign eventually because sitting out a year makes zero sense for him. I wouldn't stress about it.

Pretty much this. Also trading him would be a disaster and to even suggest is ridiculous.

[Mr.Coffee]

Yeah but, whatever. As a fan maybe we should not be myopic and understand what the Flames are trying to do.

Just like how the team is bigger than this one player / contract.. The same could be said for this one season is not bigger than the next 7 or 8 that the Flames are trying to design a contender for. So we sacrifice a season to get 7 good ones where we can afford the key components? Yeah, I'm good with it.

Plus does anyone actually think this will last beyond mid November worst case?

[wwkayaker]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Yeah but, whatever. As a fan maybe we should not be myopic and understand what the Flames are trying to do.

Just like how the team is bigger than this one player / contract.. The same could be said for this one season is not bigger than the next 7 or 8 that the Flames are trying to design a contender for. So we sacrifice a season to get 7 good ones where we can afford the key components? Yeah, I'm good with it.

Plus does anyone actually think this will last beyond mid November worst case?

I'm with you on most accounts. I am glad the GM isn't giving in to the player. I like the Isles idea that you sign by a certain date or sit; that would likely end a lot of posturing in future negotiations. I don't want to have this year suck though. The playoff excitement two years ago was a lot of fun. Heck, winning and the stretch run were great! I want the Flames to have a run like the red wings but I don't want to prolong it.

[calgarywinning]

Originally Posted by 442scotty

And if the flames decide to give up trying to sign him he better sit until we get equal value in exchange ..e.g. McKinnon etc

I think if Flames management try to grind instead of paying market the trade ask is McKinnon for Gio Cap dollars or Monahan monies, making a trade not possible.

The real deal is the balance of market, RFA status, wanting to play for Johnny. Secondly, for the Flames it realizing and acknowledging that Johnny has the skills and is not a player who will play for less then market.

There is a certain pride and a lifetime of working towards this moment for Johnny, and he needs to be acknowledged as one of the top players in the league.

[EVERLAST]

My understanding listening to a few people like DUHA and Brunt is that this is Gross's M O.
Deliberately making both sides sweat and stress and worry for the good of his agency.
I wanna think this must be true but Johnny is losing a little respect here from a lot of fans including me.
Sad.

[OmegaV4]

It could be worse though...listening to Bobby Mac talk about Tampa:

"As far as we know, this is no where."

[GioforPM]

This is what Gross did years ago representing Leclair. They signed at the 11th hour.

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by EVERLAST

My understanding listening to a few people like DUHA and Brunt is that this is Gross's M O.
Deliberately making both sides sweat and stress and worry for the good of his agency.
I wanna think this must be true but Johnny is losing a little respect here from a lot of fans including me.
Sad.

If so - and if he doesn't get a contract he thinks is big enough - somewhere during the term of the contract, Johnny will change agents. Likely, his contract with the agent now doesn't allow him to do so. And, it would be pretty late in the game for that anyway.

Hopefully his parents give him some sound advice to help him along. Can't hurt that BT was there, hopefully to give him (them?) straight goods directly.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by nfotiu

I hope the Flames have a 1 year/3.5 on the table as. The default fall back vs sitting out. The cba fails this type of free agent negotiation. It would be a good faith move by the Flames to give that as an option and let it play out over the next year.

Nope. He is arbitration eligible next year and I think the Flames want to avoid that scenario. Long Term all the way.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by New Era

I'm a massive Johnny Hockey fan. Have been since his first year at BC. Own two jerseys with his name and number on them, including the ugliest jersey in Flames history. Having said that, I'd be investigating trade opportunities. No player is bigger than the team and I'd be more than willing to send a possible malcontent out of town for a couple of players that can help now and down the line. I hope this gets solved in the next 24-48 hours, and everyone walks away feeling they did well. But if it drags out more than that, trade him away. The success of the Calgary Flames is more important to me than that of Johnny Gaudreau.

Oh for #### sakes.


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[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

Nope. He is arbitration eligible next year and I think the Flames want to avoid that scenario. Long Term all the way.

I realize that. If the Flames only offer on the table is 7x7 or whatever they are comfortable with, I'm good with that for long term. But if they are doing that to avoid all the leverage and escalators that are available to him, then they should at least offer him a fair 1 year deal for what he and his leverage is worth now which would be about 1 yr/3.5, I'd guess, and let the risks and rewards play themselves out for both sides. It's been done before a few times, so for the Flames not to offer that is taking advantage.

7 year deal at what we say we'll pay or nothing is bad faith IMO.

[Madman]

Originally Posted by MattyC

I have a source that says to be ready for JG signing tomorrow. Mods can PM if they want.

Today was the greatest day in Flames history - I can't believe it!!!

[Point Blank]

nm- wrong thread

[Coach]

Well, at least this way Gaudreauvertime didn't "call it".

[OmegaV4]

Originally Posted by MattyC

Well, at least this way Gaudreauvertime didn't "call it".

2 Questions for you:

1. Have you used this "source" in the past?
2. How Reliable are they?

[Dogbert]

To me, it all boils down to this: Johnny Gaudreau is our top scorer and best player. Without him, we might as well plan for lottery picks for years to come, because there's nobody available - either through the system, by trade, or in free agency - who can provide what he provides to the team.

Give the kid his money, and get him on the ice.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by New Era

I'm a massive Johnny Hockey fan. Have been since his first year at BC. Own two jerseys with his name and number on them, including the ugliest jersey in Flames history. Having said that, I'd be investigating trade opportunities. No player is bigger than the team and I'd be more than willing to send a possible malcontent out of town for a couple of players that can help now and down the line. I hope this gets solved in the next 24-48 hours, and everyone walks away feeling they did well. But if it drags out more than that, trade him away. The success of the Calgary Flames is more important to me than that of Johnny Gaudreau.

The flames are less successful without Johnny Gaudreau, and if you trade him you are trading him to a team that will pay him what you won't, so in other words contributing to his "success". People really need to relax here, this stuff happens and it sucks. Enjoy the ride and just be happy when it's over. That or spend every waking moment in a state panic, whichever suits you.

[Kaine]

Originally Posted by Dogbert

To me, it all boils down to this: Johnny Gaudreau is our top scorer and best player. Without him, we might as well plan for lottery picks for years to come, because there's nobody available - either through the system, by trade, or in free agency - who can provide what he provides to the team.

Give the kid his money, and get him on the ice.

Boy am I glad you are not in charge of handling our RFA contracts