[Rumour] UPD: Friedman: Thinks a deal will get done between Gaudreau and the Flames in the next week

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Ruttiger

Trade him home to NJ for Hall.

I'd rather puke in my pants and go for a jog

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Rtown

K here's a different scenario

Maybe a bridge deal is the way to go?

What I mean is no one wants to lose Johnny for a bag of magic beans. But what if we've already got those beans ?
What I'm saying is sign Johnny to say a 3 year bridge. In those 3 years you'll know what you have in Bennett and Tkackuk. What's to say in 3 years time those 2 don't turn into the next Getzlaf/Perry duo? A couple big strong forwards to keep pace in the Western Conference would make losing (having to trade Johnny) a lot easier to swallow.

And it's not like the Flames lose him for nothing if at the end of the 3 years management decides those 2 are more valuable than Johnny.

It's a gamble either way.

A 2 or 3 year bridge deal at $6 million/year now could mean a $9 or $10 AVV deal at the end of the bridge contract if Gaudreau continues to progress. The cap crunch at that point would be even more severe. If that happens, management will be kicking themselves for not signing him long term for cheaper when they had the chance. He will have all the leverage at that point.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Ruttiger

Trade him home to NJ for Hall.

Ummmm, no. And home would be Philly anyway (closer to his actual home though it is in NJ state).

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Table 5

I have a feeling this holdout will go into the regular season, and the biggest enemy of the Gaudreau camp will not be Brad Treliving, but the duo of Brian Elliot and Chad Johnson.

Yeah, if the Flames open the season 3-1 it's gonna be Gaudreau and his agent sweating, not Flames management.

[automaton 3]

I'm thinking a bridge deal is where this might be headed as well. I personally don't see Gaudreau sitting out.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

No it is a bad comparison

Johnny has never stagnated. Every year since we drafted him he has taken a step forward. As I mentioned earlier in the thread

Year 1- ppg rookie of the year
Year 2- world Jr star 1.5ppg honey baker nominee
Year 3- 2ppg Hobey baker winner
Year 4- 24 goal, 64pt NHL rookie Calder nominee
Year 5- 30 goal 78pt 6th in league scoring

No where does that show me he is about to hit a wall

Made the playoffs in year 4. Was medicore in 39 road games and led his team to a 26th place finish in year 5. Padding stats in year 5 in a bunch of meaningless games does not make it a better year.

Is Wheeler who tied with Gaudreau in scoring an 10-11 M player? the 11 M is what 7 x 7 translates to for the UFA years. 4x4 for the rfa years leaves 33 for the UFA years. The highest ever RFA only contract was a 4x3 for Johansen

Out of the top 20 scorers there were 3 Wheeler/Gaudreau/Bergeron that did not help/lead their teams to the playoffs.

[Bingo]

I've said this a few times ... I think we've all said everything a few times.

The Flames aren't insulting anyone with a mid 6 offer.
Gaudreau's agent isn't insulting anyone with an 8+ offer.

It's a negotiation.

But recent signings, the fact that he has 5 RFA years and the fact that he can't be offer sheeted pretty much means Gaudreau's side has to come to Jesus if this thing has a chance at getting done.

Love that Bob McKenzie has jumped into this as well. He's too classy to suggest that Gaudreau's camp is out to lunch, but he sure spelled out the leverage. On that stage it can't hurt things at all.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Gaudreau is not bigger than the team.

If he holds out, he holds out. The team's record over a 10 game period (or whatever), does not define what he's worth.

Yeah, if a 10 game start to the season was the extent of managements' vision, they would have paid him what he asked for already.

This is about the next half decade plus.

[sa226]

The details have been rehashed ad nauseum. Years of UFA, Tarasenko, Ekblad, 2 years in the NHL blah, blah. And I don't think anybody is wrong.

Im almost leaning towards the bridge scenario, even though I think that would be a less desirable contract.

It seems the Gaudreau camp is banking on just how valuable he is to the team, perhaps he is worth 8 million. Perhaps Tarasenko is the perfect comparable. They have a case.

But the Flames have all of the leverage. As Mckenzie tweeted, hes technically not even an RFA. For a franchise that is building towards something, with more big contracts on the horizon the Flames can't afford to back up the truck for Gaudreau.

Maybe the bridge deal affords them short term flexibility, and then they can reassess his value in a few years time.

[AltaGuy]

I still think any bridge deal is a failure for both sides. Too much uncertainty: for Gaudreau, injury or regression; for the Flames, the possibility of a 10M cap hit in our cup window with other young players maturing.

Right now I hope both sides are just sitting on their positions for a long-term deal: 8M for Gaudreau, something less than Gio for the Flames.

Both sides are staring at the gap between them, hoping that - should the other side move - they can use that new position as a starting point for more talks.

I think one of the sides will eventually put up a number in the middle (7M-7.5M), call it "non-negotiable", and then negotiate details like 7 or 8 years.

Anything under 6 years is, to me, a failure for both. But I remain hopeful that the scenario I just outlined is where they're at.

[Always Earned Never Given]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

I negotiate for a living lol.

Its fine for an initial offer, but we're almost a week into training camp, and there has been no movement off that point.

Tarasenko and Ekblad contracts set the bar, just like Kane and Doughty's a few years earlier. Signing a guy who finished 6th in scoring to a 7.5M-8M AAV wouldn't be any more unprecedented than what Gaudreau himself has done over his first 2 years.

HELLO LEWIS GROSS! (use John Lithgow AKA Trinity voice from «Dexter»)

[FanIn80]

We should have made this thread for actual news, and kept the other thread open for Gaudreauvertime.

[Gaudreauvertime]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Made the playoffs in year 4. Was medicore in 39 road games and led his team to a 26th place finish in year 5. Padding stats in year 5 in a bunch of meaningless games does not make it a better year.

Is Wheeler who tied with Gaudreau in scoring an 10-11 M player? the 11 M is what 7 x 7 translates to for the UFA years. 4x4 for the rfa years leaves 33 for the UFA years. The highest ever RFA only contract was a 4x3 for Johansen

Out of the top 20 scorers there were 3 Wheeler/Gaudreau/Bergeron that did not help/lead their teams to the playoffs.

Are we really faulting Johnny for not making the playoffs last year? No matter how hard he tried, he couldn't get Hiller to stop the puck. He was one of the few positives on a team that probably would have finished dead last without him.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

It's a gamble either way.

A 2 or 3 year bridge deal at $6 million/year now could mean a $9 or $10 AVV deal at the end of the bridge contract if Gaudreau continues to progress. The cap crunch at that point would be even more severe. If that happens, management will be kicking themselves for not signing him long term for cheaper when they had the chance. He will have all the leverage at that point.

There is absolutely no chance for a 6M bridge deal. The highest bridge deal in history was Ryan Johansen's 4x3.

Subban's 2 year bridge was 2.875.....

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

Are we really faulting Johnny for not making the playoffs last year? No matter how hard he tried, he couldn't get Hiller to stop the puck. He was one of the few positives on a team that probably would have finished dead last without him.

He had a lot of opportunity to put up points in meaningless games where defense was just a suggestion.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

Are we really faulting Johnny for not making the playoffs last year? No matter how hard he tried, he couldn't get Hiller to stop the puck. He was one of the few positives on a team that probably would have finished dead last without him.

5 minutes ago, you tried to present the case that him missing a few games is the difference in a bubble team making the playoffs or not.

No one, including him, is bigger than the team

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

I'd rather puke in my pants and go for a jog

What about a run with the runs?

[Gaudreauvertime]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

He had a lot of opportunity to put up points in meaningless games where defense was just a suggestion.

So did Monahan, yet he still got paid more than his comps.

[Gaudreauvertime]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

5 minutes ago, you tried to present the case that him missing a few games is the difference in a bubble team making the playoffs or not.

No one, including him, is bigger than the team

So you don't think him missing 10 games increases the risk of missing the playoffs?

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by polak

I was only referring to the people saying "Gaudreau has no rights, Treliving should stick to his guns". If the Flames are willing to move and Johnny isn't then yes, it's on him.

Johnny has shown more than Bennett or Tkachuk and not only that, he's shown he is a driver not a passenger. Way less chance that he slides cause of that.

Yep so using that logic Gaudreau's agent goofed.... He should have asked for the league Max and then moved down to 8x8.

Same as the Flames offering the same contract a Brodie and the coming up to 6x8.