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Bobblehead · 10-13-2006, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Suave

Uh, we only passed one million at the end of July.
http://www.canada.com/calgaryherald/...6b3f52&k=57221

Yeah, I know. Do you believe the planners expected that 8 months later the city would have grown by 50K more people? I don't think many people did.

Thats the thing. 20 year plans can be made irrelevant pretty quickly by unexpected changes to the underlying projections. Before going ahead with plans that may now be flawed perhaps they should make sure the plan still has a chance to acheive it's goals.

Barnes · 10-13-2006, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by FireFly

Yes I am. Because of the suburbs. I have a friend in Montreal and it takes her over 2 hours to get downtown....

Well I lived there for the first 16 years of my life. If it takes your friend 2 hours to get downtown they either live off the island, travel at off peak hours or are going the wrong way. That map is actually out dated as well. There are now more suburb commuter train lines as well as they are now taking the Metro north and south off the island to Laval and further into the south shore. The so called c-train expansion is a joke. They are doing nothing to increase ridership. They are adding stations to the end of the line so that people from okotoks and ardrie have to drive less far to get to the train.

Rhettzky · 10-13-2006, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobblehead

Yeah, I know. Do you believe the planners expected that 8 months later the city would have grown by 50K more people? I don't think many people did.

Thats the thing. 20 year plans can be made irrelevant pretty quickly by unexpected changes to the underlying projections. Before going ahead with plans that may now be flawed perhaps they should make sure the plan still has a chance to acheive it's goals.

That's usually why a twenty year plan such as this is broken down into smaller phases. Then if it becomes irrelevant they can make changes as it develops. Notice how in this particular plan the first phase involves a rapid transit route down the two new lines to get people used to the idea of taking that route. Then a few years later they start putting C-train lines in. I fully expect to see adjustments made during the course of the plan (there have even been some preliminary changes already) but the main idea will remain the same; fix the transit problem.

Reaper · 10-13-2006, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by FireFly

They know there are issues and are working on them... they get fixed faster if people would STFU about the roads. You'll notice there are more trains running more often during peak times already, that's the first step. Making each platform hold 4 cars will be the next step.

So I plead with all you drivers out there to shut up about the damn roads for a couple years while transit catches up!

That sounds real nice and everything but considering the massive infrastructure debt that has been accrued while the Conservative Government was so damned intent on paying off the financial debt it is not surprising that people are complaining. The provincial government paid off Alberta's debt 23 years ahead of schedule at the cost of maintaining and upgrading infrastructure so that's why we're all in this mess.

Shazam · 10-13-2006, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaper

That sounds real nice and everything but considering the massive infrastructure debt that has been accrued while the Conservative Government was so damned intent on paying off the financial debt it is not surprising that people are complaining. The provincial government paid off Alberta's debt 23 years ahead of schedule at the cost of maintaining and upgrading infrastructure so that's why we're all in this mess.

Sad thing is, it'll take us 23 years to catch up

Julio · 10-13-2006, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

It takes 45 minutes of bus/train at rush hour to get from the old Children's Hospital to one block north of the Saddledome. If you have bad luck (ie the bus is full) it takes even longer to get back. That's pretty slow.

Huh...that seems a bit strange as it takes me 15 minutes by car to do about the same distance...instead if bussing downtown I'd be tempted to take the 417 (although it does stop a bit before gametime for a Flames game).

Rhettzky · 10-13-2006, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Julio

Huh...that seems a bit strange as it takes me 15 minutes by car to do about the same distance...instead if bussing downtown I'd be tempted to take the 417 (although it does stop a bit before gametime for a Flames game).

I'd almost think you could walk that in 45 minutes. We walk to games all the time from 8th and 19th in about 20 minutes.

Flames in 07 · 10-15-2006, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaper

That sounds real nice and everything but considering the massive infrastructure debt that has been accrued while the Conservative Government was so damned intent on paying off the financial debt it is not surprising that people are complaining. The provincial government paid off Alberta's debt 23 years ahead of schedule at the cost of maintaining and upgrading infrastructure so that's why we're all in this mess.

Agreed, but being debt free doesn't suck at all ... I'll trade in some commute time to be debt free. In fact it made me buy city center real estate.

Does anyone know if the city has looked at burying the C train along 7th ave?

Resolute 14 · 10-15-2006, 10:55 PM

Burying the LRT has long been planned under 8th Ave. Cost is the prohibative factor.

Shazam · 10-15-2006, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Snakeeye

Burying the LRT has long been planned under 8th Ave. Cost is the prohibative factor.

That, and the city needs to find new accomodations for the molemen that live there.

Resolute 14 · 10-15-2006, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Shazam

That, and the city needs to find new accomodations for the molemen that live there.

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HelloHockeyFans · 10-15-2006, 11:18 PM

Wow, that's a cool look at the C-Train map... seems like nothing much has changed since I left Calgary in '97... back then Whitehorn was also the last stop on one side, Brentwood on the other and Anderson down south. From what I can tell, they've only extended the southern stops by two.

Daradon · 10-16-2006, 05:09 AM

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Originally Posted by HelloHockeyFans

Wow, that's a cool look at the C-Train map... seems like nothing much has changed since I left Calgary in '97... back then Whitehorn was also the last stop on one side, Brentwood on the other and Anderson down south. From what I can tell, they've only extended the southern stops by two.

By four actually (south) and the NW by one, and almost done the NE by one, but you are right, not a whole lot, We need more legs or a loop or something. Wouldn't hurt to start using the downtown tunnels either.

Considering the C-Train is one of the most used systems in NA (by capita and by riders) by far you'd think they invest some more money in it. Granted most mass transit systems are a losing proposition up front, but they save costs and problems overall and improve way of life.

V · 10-16-2006, 05:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Table 5

I doubt it. Most of the delays that have happened so far where already because of changes (apart from the in-company changes, the city has had people specially working on this project to make sure it coalesces with calgary guidelines from the get-go), so one would have to assume that most of those have already been taken care of.

Hahahahahahahaha.

Yeah, I've heard that one before.