Friedman: Gaudreau negotiations will be put on hold during World Cup

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Look, no one is suggesting that Gaudreau is going to bust.

We just don't want to overpay him and reduce the Flames' chances of being competitive.

What good is hitting a home run with a 4th round pick if all you do is turn around and give up the farm with him so you can't ice a competitive team?

At which point he does he become cost prohibitive? $6.75? 7? 7.5?

Anything under 7.1 is reasonable to me.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Look, no one is suggesting that Gaudreau is going to bust.

We just don't want to overpay him and reduce the Flames' chances of being competitive.

What good is hitting a home run with a 4th round pick if all you do is turn around and give up the farm with him so you can't ice a competitive team?

I just don't think 8M, for an elite player, will ruin our chance to be competitive.

Modern NHL = pay elite talent, cycle in support players.

I'm all for the way Treliving is handling this. He's working hard at it, clearly, and wants the best possible deal he can get. I think 8M is fair value, money on either side of 8M +/-, would be deemed as a win for that side in my eyes.

I'm not saying I want to pay him whatever he wants, but if it ends up being 8M? It's fair.

[Zulu29]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Gaudreau was sixth in NHL scoring last year, and everyone knows it was not a fluke.

Tarasenko put up:

19 points in 38 games (.5 PPG)
43 points in 64 games (.67 PPG)
73 points in 77 games (.95 PPG)

Stats on entry level deal: 135 points, 179 games, .75 PPG

Gaudreau put up:
1 point in 1 game (1.0 PPG)
64 points in 80 games (.8 PPG)
78 points in 79 games (.99 PPG)

Stats on entry level deal: 143 points, 160 games, .89 PPG

Tarasenko got 7.5M for 8 years. Gaudreau has proven to be a significantly better scorer than Tarasenko did during his entry level deal.

8M is not an overpayment, so long as it is an 8 year deal.

Another recent contract, if you want to look at it:

Nate Mackinnon (7 years, 6.3M per): .7 PPG

.7 PPG Vs. .89 PPG, is a big gap.

You shouldn't count Gaudreau's first season, it was one game so it shouldn't factor into his ppg. Tarasenko also played 45 more games over the time Gaudreau did, so he was able to keep the pace up over more games. I like Johnny but he shouldn't be getting Tarasenko money.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I just don't think 8M, for an elite player, will ruin our chance to be competitive.

Modern NHL = pay elite talent, cycle in support players.

I'm all for the way Treliving is handling this. He's working hard at it, clearly, and wants the best possible deal he can get. I think 8M is fair value, money on either side of 8M +/-, would be deemed as a win for that side in my eyes.

I'm not saying I want to pay him whatever he wants, but if it ends up being 8M? It's fair.

If it's 8M, it's a huge win for the player.

Fairness is relative but I wouldn't personally describe the contract that way.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Zulu29

You shouldn't count Gaudreau's first season, it was one game so it shouldn't factor into his ppg. Tarasenko also played 45 more games over the time Gaudreau did, so he was able to keep the pace up over more games. I like Johnny but he shouldn't be getting Tarasenko money.

His PPG is based on total games played and total points scored. Gaudreau has proven to be healthier, and produces at a better rate than Tarasenko.

Gaudreau >> Tarasenko.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

At which point he does he become cost prohibitive? $6.75? 7? 7.5?

Anything under 7.1 is reasonable to me.

Agreed.

On an 8 year deal, IMO:

Anything with a 6 handle is awesome.

Low 7s, say 7.1 or 7.2 is fair

7.4 to 7.5 is too much

anything over 7.5 is a disaster

[codynw]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Check my Tarasenko comparison.

I know this has been said many times, but Tarasenko had more UFA years on his deal, he was eligible for an offer sheet, and he had arbitration rights. All of those things make him a more expensive player than Gaudreau should be.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

At this stage you're just looking for ways to make it not work.

If Vey doesn't make the team, then who cares if we expose him. Ditto with Wotherspoon. It's not like either are very likely to be claimed anyways.

Oh to be so carefree with our prospects such as Wotherspoon.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

His PPG is based on total games played and total points scored. Gaudreau has proven to be healthier, and produces at a better rate than Tarasenko.

Gaudreau >> Tarasenko.

When this is mercifully over in a couple weeks, what will be clear to everyone is Treliving >>>> Armstrong.

[Coach]

I don't think 7.5 to 8 is complete disaster. I would rather have him at that price than not have him at all.

Anything over 8 is gross overpay, but I do believe the kid is a 9-10 million dollar player for us in the long run.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by MattyC

I don't think 7.5 to 8 is complete disaster. I would rather have him at that price than not have him at all.

Anything over 8 is gross overpay, but I do believe the kid is a 9-10 million dollar player for us in the long run.

Yeah and when he's 29 and won us two Stanley Cups, give the man his money.

[Zulu29]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

His PPG is based on total games played and total points scored. Gaudreau has proven to be healthier, and produces at a better rate than Tarasenko.

Gaudreau >> Tarasenko.

How could he have been healthier if Tarasenko played more games in the same span?

[Coach]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Yeah and when he's 29 and won us two Stanley Cups, give the man his money.

I totally agree. As do most.

Just saying I'd rather have him then not, when it comes down to it.

[polak]

I'll take a happy, wants to stay with the Flames long term Gaudreau at 8 than a Gaudreau who leaves after 3 years at 6 and leaves a massive hole in the team.

[Gaudreauvertime]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Yeah and when he's 29 and won us two Stanley Cups, give the man his money.

Why would you pay him at 29 for stuff he has done but is unlikely to continue doing? That's the problem with the current paradigm most teams subscribe to. That's why there are so many dead weight contracts in the NHL.

I mean we literally just made that mistake with Gio.

If we sign Johnny for 7.5M-8M for 8 years, that contract is going to look like a steal in a few years, when we should begin entering our cup window. Unfortunately, we'll also have a declining Gio on the books . . .

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by polak

I'll take a happy, wants to stay with the Flames long term Gaudreau at 8 than a Gaudreau who leaves after 3 years at 6 and leaves a massive hole in the team.

Well, fortunately, those aren't the only two choices

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

If we sign Johnny for 7.5M-8M for 8 years, that contract is going to look like a steal in a few years, when we should begin entering our cup window. Unfortunately, we'll also have a declining Gio on the books . . .

Maybe. But it will look like a good deal now AND in the future if it's under 7.5.

Hence, the negotiation. Getting him for less is better for the team, obviously.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

Why would you pay him at 29 for stuff he has done but is unlikely to continue doing? That's the problem with the current paradigm most teams subscribe to. That's why there are so many dead weight contracts in the NHL.

I mean we literally just made that mistake with Gio.

If we sign Johnny for 7.5M-8M for 8 years, that contract is going to look like a steal in a few years, when we should begin entering our cup window. Unfortunately, we'll also have a declining Gio on the books . . .

There is a thing called RFA years and UFA years. Your NHLPA negotiated this and it is what it is.

Assuming Giordano is a mistake is not going to help your argument.

[goflamesgo18]

Originally Posted by Zulu29

How could he have been healthier if Tarasenko played more games in the same span?

gaudraeu played 2 seasons on entry level deal, tarasenko played 3 seasons

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by polak

I'll take a happy, wants to stay with the Flames long term Gaudreau at 8 than a Gaudreau who leaves after 3 years at 6 and leaves a massive hole in the team.

Im curious...how does he leave after 3 years?