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View Poll Results: Assuming a term of 7 years what will Gaudreau's AAV end up being?
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6.500 - 6.625
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9 |
1.28% |
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6.625 - 6.750
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5 |
0.71% |
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6.750 - 6.875
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21 |
2.99% |
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6.875 - 7.000
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59 |
8.40% |
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7.000 - 7.125
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89 |
12.68% |
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7.125 - 7.250
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85 |
12.11% |
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7.250 - 7.375
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112 |
15.95% |
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7.375 - 7.500
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102 |
14.53% |
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7.500 - 7.625
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71 |
10.11% |
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7.625 - 7.750
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38 |
5.41% |
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7.750 - 7.875
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39 |
5.56% |
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7.875 - 8.000
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33 |
4.70% |
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8.000 - 8.125
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21 |
2.99% |
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8.125 - 8.250
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6 |
0.85% |
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8.250 - 8.375
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1 |
0.14% |
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8.375 - 8.500
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11 |
1.57% |
09-08-2016, 10:53 PM
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#721
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In the Sin Bin
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Matty81
I'm actually curious. Who is a comparable player who got 8 mil a year for a long term contract with 5 RFA years? Tarasenko got 7.5 and he only had 4 RFA years.
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Kane got 7.75M per (adjusted for inflation) on a 5 year deal with 4 RFA years and only 1 UFA year. He was coming off the same type of season we just saw from Gaudreau, but while playing on a loaded Hawks team.
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09-08-2016, 10:53 PM
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#722
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Matty81
I'm actually curious. Who is a comparable player who got 8 mil a year for a long term contract with 5 RFA years? Tarasenko got 7.5 and he only had 4 RFA years.
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Probably not many since it's an oddity that we burned that first year of ELC with only 1 game but it didn't count as a year towards UFA.
Most comparable that comes to mind is Crosby's 5x$8.7M after his ELC (4 RFA years).
OV got 13x$9.5M after his ELC (4 RFA years).
So ya, no one really and the closest is freaking Crosby.
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09-08-2016, 10:54 PM
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#723
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm
Honestly, if he isn't involved with Lewis Gross or his agency I would pretty nervous. The obsession and one-sidedness he's shown towards Gaudreau is downright creepy.
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It was no different when Iginla was the star of the team. Some fans cheer for the name on the back of the jersey more than the crest on the front.
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09-08-2016, 10:54 PM
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#724
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Feb 2014
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Matty81
I'm actually curious. Who is a comparable player who got 8 mil a year for a long term contract with 5 RFA years? Tarasenko got 7.5 and he only had 4 RFA years.
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You aren't adjusting for inflation. 
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09-08-2016, 10:57 PM
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#725
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damn onions
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That Crosby deal isn't too bad actually when you think about it.
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09-08-2016, 10:58 PM
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#726
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Paradise
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime
Kane got 7.75M per (adjusted for inflation) on a 5 year deal with 4 RFA years and only 1 UFA year. He was coming off the same type of season we just saw from Gaudreau, but while playing on a loaded Hawks team.
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Didn't Kane also win a cup?
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09-08-2016, 10:59 PM
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#727
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I believe in the Pony Power
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime
8M is closer to his inflation adjusted market comps than 6.5
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How do you feel about his poor performance on the road. Should he get elite dollars when he's only an elite player half the time?
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09-08-2016, 10:59 PM
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#728
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First round-bust
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheScorpion
Evgeni Malkin, back in 2009, signed a five-year deal at age 22 -- heading into his age 23 season, same as Gaudreau -- which took up 5 RFA years. Malkin was obviously better than Gaudreau for their respective ages -- Geno was coming off a 112-point season, and was more proven (Stanley Cup, Art Ross, Conn Smythe, etc...) -- but it's the closest non-Tarasenko deal I can find for your exact criteria. Was for $8.7 million a season under a $58.6 million cap.
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BTW - $8.7 million a season under a $58.6 million cap is the equivalent of a $10.84 million deal under the current $73 million cap. Obviously, Johnny isn't getting that if he's asking for 8, but Malkin's deal is the closest comparable I could find.
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09-08-2016, 11:00 PM
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#729
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I wonder if in hindsight Johnny came away worse burning that first year of ELC.
Sure it got him to his 2nd contract faster, but he'd probably be looking at a much bigger 2nd contract with 3 stud years under his belt, offer sheet leverage and only 4 RFA years holding the AAV back.
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09-08-2016, 11:02 PM
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#730
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In the Sin Bin
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JiriHrdina
How do you feel about his poor performance on the road. Should he get elite dollars when he's only an elite player half the time?
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Poor performance or poor results? He created just as many scoring chances on the road, just had poor shooting percentage on the road and great shooting percentage at home.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Samonadreau
Didn't Kane also win a cup?
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No, the Blackhawks won the cup.
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09-08-2016, 11:03 PM
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#731
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime
No, the Blackhawks won the cup.
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Oh, semantics. Kane did win a cup. He literally won the Stanley Cup for his team with the winning goal. And Kane's no Dave Bolland.
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09-08-2016, 11:05 PM
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#732
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Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Paradise
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime
No, the Blackhawks won the cup.
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He had 28 points in 22 games that playoffs
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09-08-2016, 11:05 PM
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#733
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In the Sin Bin
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheScorpion
BTW - $8.7 million a season under a $58.6 million cap is the equivalent of a $10.84 million deal under the current $73 million cap. Obviously, Johnny isn't getting that if he's asking for 8, but Malkin's deal is the closest comparable I could find.
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So Malkin's deal was all RFA years and he still got effectively 10.8M? Holy jumpin
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09-08-2016, 11:06 PM
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#734
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Franchise Player
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Lewis, stop posting on internet forums and get back to working on reasonable deals.
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09-08-2016, 11:07 PM
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#735
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"Geno was coming off a 112-point season (Stanley Cup, Art Ross, Conn Smythe, etc...)"
funny how you can miss, (or choose to ignore) such important details...
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09-08-2016, 11:07 PM
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#736
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In the Sin Bin
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Samonadreau
He had 28 points in 22 games that playoffs
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I'm not saying he wasn't a big part of that cup run, but it's hard to objectively value team success. If Kane was drafted by Arizona he probably has no cups and is still an elite player.
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09-08-2016, 11:07 PM
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#737
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I believe in the Pony Power
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime
Poor performance or poor results? He created just as many scoring chances on the road, just had poor shooting percentage on the road and great shooting percentage at home.
No, the Blackhawks won the cup.
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It's a results business man. He didn't produce at an elite level on the road.
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09-08-2016, 11:09 PM
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#738
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Appealing my suspension
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Kane was also 21 years old and had 3 seasons of 72 70 and 88 points. Gaudreau is not Patrick Kane. He's a damp good player but he's a notch below Kane.
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09-08-2016, 11:09 PM
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#739
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime
I'm not saying he wasn't a big part of that cup run, but it's hard to objectively value team success. If Kane was drafted by Arizona he probably has no cups and is still an elite player.
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We can speculate and hypothesize all we want, but contracts, like most business decisions, are based on facts, not make-believe. The facts are that Kane scored the Stanley Cup-winning goal in the Game 6 of the Stanley Cup Final. The facts are that Kane scored 28 points in 22 games in the playoffs that year. The facts are that Kane was drafted by Chicago. If you want to use hypotheticals to determine potential contract values, then you're doing it wrong.
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09-08-2016, 11:10 PM
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#740
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
It was no different when Iginla was the star of the team. Some fans cheer for the name on the back of the jersey more than the crest on the front.
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Some Flames fans are bizarre though. Over the years there have been various factions who couldn't wait to get Vernon, Nieuwendyk, Gilmour, Mullen, and Iginla out of town.
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