08-28-2016, 08:46 PM
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#621
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Nm
Last edited by Flabbibulin; 08-29-2016 at 07:23 AM.
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08-28-2016, 08:59 PM
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#622
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Kalispell, Montana
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Osweiler looked like a $18M QB today. I know, preseason and all. Will be happy to hear Kubiak name Siemian the starter this week.
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08-29-2016, 07:55 AM
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#623
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Originally Posted by MRCboicgy
actually, I'd say it stands for the freedom to do what he's doing...
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Well I will counter and say he's doing that on his employers time. It's one thing to have your personal beliefs but most employers don't pay their employees to demonstrate their personal political views in the workplace. Sports like movies, TV, etc is escapist entertainment and I don't believe fans tune in or buy tickets to see players demonstrate their political views. I know I didn't tune into the Oscars to hear Leonardo DiCaprio announce to the world he was ignorant about Chinooks in Southern Alberta but at least accepting an award isn't on company time. I have no issue with him in an interview on his own time saying his peace or being part of some Black Lives Matter protest but to demonstrate on work time when he's being paid millions is not professional IMO.
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08-29-2016, 10:55 AM
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#624
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Join Date: Jul 2005
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Telling him that he shouldn't say anything because he is being paid millions is pretty selfish. That smacks of paying him off not to talk. Like he should know his place.
Read his statement, he is fully aware of how much this may cost him and he has decided that money can't silence him.
He didn't miss a snap. He didn't call a press conference. He was asked about it after the game he explained his reasoning.
Seems like a very principled approach.
You may not like his statement but I can't see a reason why he should given a hard time about making it. It's about as peaceful a protest as you will find with respect to this issue.
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08-29-2016, 10:56 AM
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#625
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Wucka Wocka Wacka
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: East of the Rockies, West of the Rest
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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
Well I will counter and say he's doing that on his employers time. It's one thing to have your personal beliefs but most employers don't pay their employees to demonstrate their personal political views in the workplace. Sports like movies, TV, etc is escapist entertainment and I don't believe fans tune in or buy tickets to see players demonstrate their political views. I know I didn't tune into the Oscars to hear Leonardo DiCaprio announce to the world he was ignorant about Chinooks in Southern Alberta but at least accepting an award isn't on company time. I have no issue with him in an interview on his own time saying his peace or being part of some Black Lives Matter protest but to demonstrate on work time when he's being paid millions is not professional IMO.
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Political protests may have to intrude into escapist entertainment, and I'm not sure there is an effective professional venue to drive meaningful change (outside of politics itself)...however, Colin may definitely be offside of his employer and will face the consequences of his actions.
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08-29-2016, 11:02 AM
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#626
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Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan
Osweiler looked like a $18M QB today. I know, preseason and all. Will be happy to hear Kubiak name Siemian the starter this week.
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They did officially today
He looked like an NFL QB against the Rams, we'll see how it goes I guess
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08-29-2016, 11:29 AM
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#627
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Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: BELTLINE
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I have no idea if he does or not, but I would hope kaepernick is backing up all this politicizing by donating large amounts of money and time to poor communities. There's no end to the range of differences he could make, from paying for kids to go to school, to affordable housing, to mentoring young black males to stop the cycle of teen pregnancy and single motherhood.
I don't have an issue with him sitting for the anthem, but saying people of color are "oppressed" is a bit of hyperbolic language IMO, especially if he's not willing to help as well.
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08-29-2016, 11:35 AM
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#628
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Lifetime In Suspension
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Did I hear correctly that Bradford is looking good now that he has a non garbage HC?
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08-29-2016, 12:01 PM
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#629
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
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Originally Posted by DiracSpike
I have no idea if he does or not, but I would hope kaepernick is backing up all this politicizing by donating large amounts of money and time to poor communities. There's no end to the range of differences he could make, from paying for kids to go to school, to affordable housing, to mentoring young black males to stop the cycle of teen pregnancy and single motherhood.
I don't have an issue with him sitting for the anthem, but saying people of color are "oppressed" is a bit of hyperbolic language IMO, especially if he's not willing to help as well.
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Seriously? Wow. You may want to clarify that statement.
And Kaepernick has supported Camp Taylor for kids with heart defects since he joined the league.
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"The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance--it is the illusion of knowledge."
—Daniel J. Boorstin, historian, former Librarian of Congress
"But the Senator, while insisting he was not intoxicated, could not explain his nudity"
—WKRP in Cincinatti
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08-29-2016, 12:25 PM
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#630
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Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobblehead
Telling him that he shouldn't say anything because he is being paid millions is pretty selfish. That smacks of paying him off not to talk. Like he should know his place.
Read his statement, he is fully aware of how much this may cost him and he has decided that money can't silence him.
He didn't miss a snap. He didn't call a press conference. He was asked about it after the game he explained his reasoning.
Seems like a very principled approach.
You may not like his statement but I can't see a reason why he should given a hard time about making it. It's about as peaceful a protest as you will find with respect to this issue.
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Who said that? I'm just not a fan of political statements being made on the job. He can say whatever he wants on his own time for all I care but he doesn't get paid by the NFL to raise awareness for personal causes. Now the NFL doesn't have a rule against sitting out the anthem but he's likely dividing the workplace as you can see plenty of players are likely going to be offended;
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...9ers/89514450/
The general consensus is that the QB needs to be the leader of the team and not take sides with anyone of any race or color so he's being divisive in the workplace. I simply believe that he shouldn't be using his place of work to be doing this and if I was a 49ers fan I would be upset that they have an off field issue to deal with.
In the big picture we are talking about a QB that is likely on his way out of the NFL anyway so he wanted to get his point across while in the limelight. In a few weeks this will fade away like his career but I hope the Kaepernick keeps busy in his private life promoting his cause if it means that much to him.
Last edited by Erick Estrada; 08-29-2016 at 12:28 PM.
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08-29-2016, 12:43 PM
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#631
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Word is the Broncos are trying to trade Colquitt. He makes a tonne for a punter but the kid they drafted hasn't looked great at all. If he won't take a pay cut he looks to be gone.
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08-29-2016, 01:05 PM
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#632
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Maryland State House, Annapolis
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So Kaepernick now has a brother in arms: Myke Tavarres. In case you're wondering Tavarres plays for the Eagles, is a 7th round pick, which means he's almost certainly going to be cut.
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08-29-2016, 01:15 PM
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#633
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Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: BELTLINE
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobblehead
Seriously? Wow. You may want to clarify that statement.
And Kaepernick has supported Camp Taylor for kids with heart defects since he joined the league.
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Oppressed is a strong word. Black people were oppressed in the USA, they're not anymore. Certainly poverty is a tough barrier and cycle to overcome, but I don't see how that's any different than poor Hispanics, or Natives, or Whites.
And good for him, that's a good cause. Hopefully he's motivated himself and others in the NFL to do more.
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08-29-2016, 01:40 PM
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#634
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Calgary
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Bosa signs!
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08-29-2016, 01:46 PM
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#635
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Lifetime In Suspension
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Originally Posted by Lil Pedro
Bosa signs!
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Well like you said hopefully now that "diva" can "go earn his money".
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08-29-2016, 02:44 PM
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#636
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by ResAlien
Well like you said hopefully now that "diva" can "go earn his money".
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Certainly hope so. Chargers desperately need help at their pass rush, and he fills this void. He got paid handsomely; time for him to show the organization that it was a wise investment.
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08-29-2016, 02:45 PM
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#637
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Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Austria, NOT Australia
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will be interesting to see how quickly he'll have an impact. Given that there were a lot of question marks regarding schemes and if he'd even be a fit on the Chargers defense, not having him play any snaps in preseason isn't ideal at all.
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08-29-2016, 02:47 PM
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#638
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Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Calgary, AB
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Originally Posted by Lil Pedro
Bosa signs!
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Overrated.
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08-29-2016, 03:09 PM
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#639
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: in your blind spot.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
Who said that? I'm just not a fan of political statements being made on the job. He can say whatever he wants on his own time for all I care but he doesn't get paid by the NFL to raise awareness for personal causes. Now the NFL doesn't have a rule against sitting out the anthem but he's likely dividing the workplace as you can see plenty of players are likely going to be offended;
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...9ers/89514450/
The general consensus is that the QB needs to be the leader of the team and not take sides with anyone of any race or color so he's being divisive in the workplace. I simply believe that he shouldn't be using his place of work to be doing this and if I was a 49ers fan I would be upset that they have an off field issue to deal with.
In the big picture we are talking about a QB that is likely on his way out of the NFL anyway so he wanted to get his point across while in the limelight. In a few weeks this will fade away like his career but I hope the Kaepernick keeps busy in his private life promoting his cause if it means that much to him. |
I am a 49ers fan. I wasn't a Kaep fan but I respect him more now that he has taken this stance. This is the most leadership he has shown. When Harbaugh ran the team, he was the leader. Kaepernick was always too quiet and never had the charisma people expect of an alpha QB. Kaepernick is a decent QB in the right situation but he will never be a rah-rah, rally the troops, dissect a secondary guy.
But yeah, he is pretty much done in SF. The team will look for a way to release him with the least mess possible. They are already leaking stories to national press to make the cut easier (which is how the owners work - undermine with leaks to make them look justified later. The Yorks are BAD owners).
I'm resigned to the fact that the team I cheered for since "The Catch" will be bad so long as they are owned by the Yorks. I had some hope when Jed took over but he is little better than his parents.
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—Bill Clinton
"The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance--it is the illusion of knowledge."
—Daniel J. Boorstin, historian, former Librarian of Congress
"But the Senator, while insisting he was not intoxicated, could not explain his nudity"
—WKRP in Cincinatti
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08-29-2016, 03:12 PM
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#640
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Join Date: Jul 2005
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DiracSpike
Oppressed is a strong word. Black people were oppressed in the USA, they're not anymore. Certainly poverty is a tough barrier and cycle to overcome, but I don't see how that's any different than poor Hispanics, or Natives, or Whites.
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Good to know that whole race relations thing has been resolved. I'm sure that must be a huge relief. Someone should put out a memo.
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—Bill Clinton
"The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance--it is the illusion of knowledge."
—Daniel J. Boorstin, historian, former Librarian of Congress
"But the Senator, while insisting he was not intoxicated, could not explain his nudity"
—WKRP in Cincinatti
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