Flames stars Sean Monahan and Johnny Gaudreau stick together

[underclassman]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

I never thought I'd see the day where a guy gives Johnny TOO MUCH credit, but this gaudreauvertime guy sure is haha.

JOHNNY deserves it ...haha

[doctajones428]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Fair enough but personally I would say Kane is clearly better than Ovie. Not at scoring goals but he is better at putting up points, and has 3 rings when Ovie hasn't made it past the 2nd round. Obviously a team game but Kane vs Ovie could easily be argued in favor of Kane I think

Better at putting up points?

Kane PPG = .96

Ovechkin PPG = 1.15

Ovechkin had the second worst season of his career with 71 points last year, Kane has only put up numbers higher than that 4 times, and two of those times he only did it by 1 and 2 points

Edit: 4 times, not 3

[Gaudreauvertime]

Originally Posted by underclassman

JOHNNY deserves it ...haha

If anything, this forum undervalues Gaudreau. I'm not sure why, maybe it's because he's a small skilled winger that was born south of the border?

It's quite odd really, outside of an outspoken few on this message board, the vast majority of people in and close to the game know that Gaudreau is the most valuable asset on this team.

That's no slight to Monahan or Bennett or Brodie, it's just the reality when you're talking about an exceptional talent like Gaudreau.

[MrMastodonFarm]

The vast majority of people in and close to the game?

I'd love to see that list, and how you got that information.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by doctajones428

Better at putting up points?

Kane PPG = .96

Ovechkin PPG = 1.15

Ovechkin had the second worst season of his career with 71, Kane has only put up higher numbers than that 3 times, and out two of those times he only did it by 1 and 2 points

I think we're talking in the present in this argument, and in 2015-16, if we're going by PPG:

Kane PPG: 1.29

Ovechkin PPG: .899

Kane's also three years younger.

[Gaudreauvertime]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

The vast majority of people in and close to the game?

I'd love to see that list, and how you got that information.

There's a reason every article and interview with hockey insiders puts Gaudreau in the elite group of players and think he will get paid commensurate with his value, which is higher than Monahan.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

There's a reason every article and interview with hockey insiders puts Gaudreau in the elite group of players and think he will get paid commensurate with his value, which is higher than Monahan.

Wait. I was sort of on board with you before. I'm also a huge fan of Johnny Gaudreau as a person and as a hockey player, but "every article and interview with hockey insiders puts Gaudreau in the elite group of players"?

Dude, how much of a Gaudreau fan are you? That really ain't true, dude. Gaudreau isn't a Top 10 player yet. He's on the fence of being elite. It sure isn't unanimous.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

There's a reason every article and interview with hockey insiders puts Gaudreau in the elite group of players and think he will get paid commensurate with his value, which is higher than Monahan.

Which interviews and articles?

Players get paid for points, but Gaudreau isn't anymore important than Brodie if this team is going to win.

[Gaudreauvertime]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Wait. I was sort of on board with you before... but "every article and interview with hockey insiders puts Gaudreau in the elite group of players"?

Dude, how much of a Gaudreau fan are you?

What I mean to say is, whenever he's brought up, it's as a top 3 LW, or top 15 forward, or a guy who should be getting paid more than Tarasenko.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

What I mean to say is, whenever he's brought up, it's as a top 3 LW, or top 15 forward, or a guy who should be getting paid more than Tarasenko.

Could you show me some examples of that? I really rarely see Gaudreau listed as a Top 3 LW, and most of the time I see him listed as a comparable to Tarasenko, not unquestionably better or worth more.

[Gaudreauvertime]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Which interviews and articles?

Players get paid for points, but Gaudreau isn't anymore important than Brodie if this team is going to win.

Besides the radio link I posted earlier, here's one from last week:

http://pmd.fan960.com/audio_on_deman...-Interview.mp3

Then Google any recent article about Johnny Gaudreau's worth. I don't see many who have him coming in under 7.

Here's a recent one
http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Todd-...ahan/202/78412

[jemjey]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

If anything, this forum undervalues Gaudreau. I'm not sure why, maybe it's because he's a small skilled winger that was born south of the border?

It's quite odd really, outside of an outspoken few on this message board, the vast majority of people in and close to the game know that Gaudreau is the most valuable asset on this team.

That's no slight to Monahan or Bennett or Brodie, it's just the reality when you're talking about an exceptional talent like Gaudreau.

I've been a huge fanboy of Gaudreau since his breakout World Juniors. I would have to respectfully disagree. My sense (from years of lurking) is that the vast majority of CP knows just how valuable Johnny is to our team. I think where you lose a lot of us is when you start saying he's better than the best goal-scorer of this generation...

Most of us love Johnny and appreciate what he brings to the team, and know that he deserves to get paid. That being said, his contract needs to work for the team. We have a couple young guys that are going to need contracts in the next few years and as a team, we can't afford to mortgage the future just because we have been starved of an exciting young star.

Tl;dr : We all love Johnny, some of us are a little hesitant to anoint him the chosen one and back the truck up.

[TheScorpion]

Great post, jemjey. I'm out of thanks but that sums up my thoughts.

[jemjey]

Thanks, bud. Also don't get demoralised and keep on posting! I always appreciate reading CP's opinions; especially when they are thoughtful and respectful (which your's are.)

[Strange Brew]

Well I'm not sure about the vast majority, but listening to the NHL channel on XM last week, Jim "Boomer" Gordon had Gaudreau rated as the 18th best player in the league today. He only had a top 20, and no other Flames were mentioned. I tend to like his take on things.

Gaudreau is a dynamic player and I think its fair to say we are still not sure just how good he can be.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

Besides the radio link I posted earlier, here's one from last week:

http://pmd.fan960.com/audio_on_deman...-Interview.mp3

Then Google any recent article about Johnny Gaudreau's worth. I don't see many who have him coming in under 7.

Here's a recent one
http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Todd-...ahan/202/78412

Your examples of recent interviews and articles consist of the local morning show and a Flames blogger??

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Oh, it's definitely piling on. It seems like every time I post, someone replies and if it is a negative response it gets a million thanks, regardless of whether it is constructive feedback or insulting.

It's demoralising and makes me really not enthusiastic about participating in the discussion here -- and I know people will undoubtedly respond positively to this. This last string was pretty tame, but people call me out for being a "puck bunny" and a HFBoards-eque fanboy simply for having an obscure favourite player, referring to Gaudreau simply as "Johnny" (it's easier to type), and expressing my wish that he gets paid because I feel he deserves it and is a good kid. But hey, #PrayForJohnny, right?

I love constructive criticism (New Era is a great example of this). Make no mistake, this forum is awesome and it is super informative and can foster great discussion. But I can't think of it as anything ther than dogpiling when it happens as often as it does. Give me a chance, OK? I can contribute positively to this forum, I really think I can.

Well I can only speak for me, and I responded to the content of your post without any kind of attack or criticism of any kind towards you.

I do agree though that you receive a fair bit of criticism. Don't let it bother you - just keep posting. Personally, I think you add a lot of zeal and enthusiasm to this place.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Oh, it's definitely piling on. It seems like every time I post, someone replies and if it is a negative response it gets a million thanks, regardless of whether it is constructive feedback or insulting.

It's demoralising and makes me really not enthusiastic about participating in the discussion here -- and I know people will undoubtedly respond positively to this. This last string was pretty tame, but people call me out for being a "puck bunny" and a HFBoards-eque fanboy simply for having an obscure favourite player, referring to Gaudreau simply as "Johnny" (it's easier to type), and expressing my wish that he gets paid because I feel he deserves it and is a good kid. But hey, #PrayForJohnny, right?

I love constructive criticism (New Era is a great example of this). Make no mistake, this forum is awesome and it is super informative and can foster great discussion. But I can't think of it as anything ther than dogpiling when it happens as often as it does. Give me a chance, OK? I can contribute positively to this forum, I really think I can.

Don't get discouraged, your ability to rise above a lot of it is encouraging!
I enjoy your posts as well! Stay positive. At the end of the day we are all Flames fans.

[Gaudreauvertime]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Your examples of recent interviews and articles consist of the local morning show and a Flames blogger??

Like I said Google it. There are tons of articles. I'm on my phone right now, so it's not the easiest thing to do.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

Like I said Google it. There are tons of articles. I'm on my phone right now, so it's not the easiest thing to do.

Translation: I can't find anything credible to back up my claim.