08-23-2016, 02:17 PM
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#561
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In the Sin Bin
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Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm
Three seasons vs two is a big factor.
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Johnny's development curve traces back much further than just his NHL career
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08-23-2016, 02:21 PM
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#562
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
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^^^
Dude, you can quote multiple posts for one reply.
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08-23-2016, 02:24 PM
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#563
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GOAT!
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All I know is the last thing we should be discussing here is Monahan's runway.
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08-23-2016, 02:25 PM
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#564
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In the Sin Bin
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Originally Posted by TheScorpion
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Dude, you can quote multiple posts for one reply. |
Sorry. Just learning this forum thing. I think I did it right earlier, I'll try to do better.
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08-23-2016, 02:25 PM
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#565
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Franchise Player
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I never thought I'd see the day where a guy gives Johnny TOO MUCH credit, but this gaudreauvertime guy sure is haha.
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08-23-2016, 02:29 PM
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#566
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In the Sin Bin
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Originally Posted by CroFlames
I never thought I'd see the day where a guy gives Johnny TOO MUCH credit, but this gaudreauvertime guy sure is haha.
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He's the best Flame I've seen for my money, even better than Fleury or Iggy (2 of my favorite players ever). I thought he'd stay around 60-70 points after his rookie year , but he proved me wrong. Hard not to be a fan.
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08-23-2016, 02:29 PM
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#567
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: stuck in BC watching the nucks
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CroFlames
I never thought I'd see the day where a guy gives Johnny TOO MUCH credit, but this gaudreauvertime guy sure is haha.
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IF Gaudreau was married I would seriously suggest it was his wife on here, but as suggested earlier probably his agent...lol.
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08-23-2016, 02:30 PM
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#568
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CroFlames
I never thought I'd see the day where a guy gives Johnny TOO MUCH credit, but this gaudreauvertime guy sure is haha.
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Like, holy mama. I'm as big of a fan as Gaudreau as anyone (#PrayForJohnny) but you'd think we literally have 22-year old Patrick Kane here in Calgary. Johnny's great -- he turned Hudler into a star -- but it's not like he's on an Iggy-esque Donut line. We have a very good centre playing with him.
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08-23-2016, 02:34 PM
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#569
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime
He's the best Flame I've seen for my money, even better than Fleury or Iggy (2 of my favorite players ever). I thought he'd stay around 60-70 points after his rookie year , but he proved me wrong. Hard not to be a fan.
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We're all huge fans of Gaudreau, but that is quite a difference from ranking him as already among the best players of all time.
For what it is worth, I thought Gaudreau would score +80 pts this season, and I believe he will hit 90 at some point in his career. But I also still don't think he is the best player in team history—not even close.
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08-23-2016, 02:34 PM
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#570
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: CGY
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Originally Posted by doctajones428
No, it's not a stretch, but you can still do that without being as good as Ovechkin
Is Kane better than Ovechkin now? I wouldn't say so
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Fair enough but personally I would say Kane is clearly better than Ovie. Not at scoring goals but he is better at putting up points, and has 3 rings when Ovie hasn't made it past the 2nd round. Obviously a team game but Kane vs Ovie could easily be argued in favor of Kane I think
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08-23-2016, 02:36 PM
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#571
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
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Kane is unquestionably one of the top 3 players in the game right now. Up there with Crosby and... McDavid?
Ovechkin is one of the greatest goal-scorers of all time and still a fantastic player, but you can't be the best player in the NHL while putting up 71 points. There's no way that Kane is inferior to Ovie right now, with the exception of goal-scoring -- and even then, that's close.
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Last edited by TheScorpion; 08-23-2016 at 02:43 PM.
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08-23-2016, 02:39 PM
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#572
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheScorpion
Kane is unquestionably one of the top 3 players in the game right now. Up there with Crosby and... McDavid?...
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Come again???
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08-23-2016, 02:42 PM
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#573
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: speculating about AHL players
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Originally Posted by Textcritic
Come again???
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Aaah, oops, forgot the greentext 
Benn.
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08-23-2016, 02:46 PM
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#574
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Jul 2010
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime
He's the best Flame I've seen for my money, even better than Fleury or Iggy (2 of my favorite players ever). I thought he'd stay around 60-70 points after his rookie year , but he proved me wrong. Hard not to be a fan.
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Then I'm not sure you watched Iggy. The same Iggy that has an Art Ross, 50 goal season, three 90+ point seasons, two 80+ point seasons, 11 straight seasons with 30+ goal seasons....
Yeah, Johnny has huge potential. But better than Iggy? Not just yet.
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08-23-2016, 03:04 PM
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#575
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First Line Centre
Join Date: May 2011
Location: in the belly of the beast.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime
He's the best Flame I've seen for my money, even better than Fleury or Iggy (2 of my favorite players ever). I thought he'd stay around 60-70 points after his rookie year , but he proved me wrong. Hard not to be a fan.
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Uh your johnny love seems to be taking over son, dial it back a bit ok.
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08-23-2016, 03:45 PM
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#576
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan
I agree with nearly everything you said, but I still choose Johnny 10 times out of 10. He's got . Monahan is an amazing player, but there are several comparable Monahan's in the league, and while it would be hard to replace his skill set, it isn't impossible. Hell, Bennett alone might make Monahan expendable at some point. Gaudreau's skills might only be comparable to Patrick Kane and Tyler Johnson, and if I'm being honest Johnson as a comparable is a stretch. Yes, Monahan does more things to help you win a game, but Gaudreau is pretty much irreplaceable.
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I agree with your post for the most part. But I will say that once upon a time the Flames did have an elite winner with that elite skill set that was incredibly hard to find and almost impossible to replace, in one Jarome Iginla. He could score, set up the plays, beat your ass in a fight and will the team to victory. But history shows us that building around a winger just doesn't work.
For that reason I'd tend to to lean towards Monahan if we had to choose only one. I know it's easy to say he's replaceable with Bennett in the pipeline. But the team's mediocre results over the last 20+ years (outside of '04) speaks volumes when you don't have a top line C. Gaudreau undeniably has the skill and flash. I don't doubt he's the 'better' player. But Monahan is easily the more important one.
Thankfully, we have 2 potential top line C's in the pipeline. A solid 1A/1B combo AND and a soon-to-be elite winger. So we'll hopefully never have to make that decision in our lifetimes  .
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08-23-2016, 04:01 PM
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#577
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Huntingwhale
But history shows us that building around a winger just doesn't work.
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Um, cough.
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Last edited by TheScorpion; 08-23-2016 at 04:22 PM.
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08-23-2016, 04:14 PM
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#578
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Franchise Player
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Uh?
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08-23-2016, 04:15 PM
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#579
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by TheScorpion
Um, cough.
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What?
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08-23-2016, 04:20 PM
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#580
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: speculating about AHL players
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Oops, wrong URL.
Fixed!
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